RSS Feed for NEC 2008 http://www.iaeifl.org/forums/ubbthreads.php RSS Feed for NEC 2008 IAEI Florida Chapter - UBB.threads(tm) Re: 2012 Chapter Hotel Information http://www.iaeifl.org/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/8852/Re_2012_Chapter_Hotel_Informat.html#Post8852 Posted by odellkewish:
Great topic, keep myself through looking it]]> Wed, 09 May 2012 23:41:08 CDT Re: Visual Alarms http://www.iaeifl.org/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/8847/Re_Visual_Alarms.html#Post8847 Posted by Nick Sasso:
Thanks for the reply Terry. Actually, I didn't know that about Key West. I'm not surprised at the lawyers, and in many cases they will "ham it up" on the actual complaint to the court. Of course, this is just my opinion.

I spent most of my day studying codes and I came up with a thing or (...)]]> Thu, 03 May 2012 09:39:03 CDT Re: Selective Coordination of Circuit Breakers http://www.iaeifl.org/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/8842/Re_Selective_Coordination_of_C.html#Post8842 Posted by Mike Timpanaro:
Heinz
I have seen the time current trip curve charts you are talking about and with a quick flip through, coordination is not posible in the unlatching region as you have noted. I think that Bryan said it as it is.

Quote:
You really have no choice but to require S.C. in compliance with the (...)
]]> Fri, 27 Apr 2012 09:03:18 CDT Re: Nonmetallic Extensions http://www.iaeifl.org/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/8838/Re_Nonmetallic_Extensions.html#Post8838 Posted by Bryan Holland:
I agree this is rather poor code arrangement.

In my opinion, nonmetallic surface extensions installed to comply 382.10(A),(B), & 382.15 shall only be in a building used for residential or office purposes per 382.10(C).

Only concealable nonmetallic extensions can be used in buildings for (...)]]> Thu, 26 Apr 2012 07:20:51 CDT Re: "Swim Spa" http://www.iaeifl.org/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/8814/Re_quot_Swim_Spa_quot.html#Post8814 Posted by SOwings:
I am assuming this apparatus is on a porch outside the home. This would make it an outdoor installation. If it physically is in the home then you could call it indoors.
Regardless of being indoors or outdoors, pool or spa, the lights are too close to the water line and the fan is too close to (...)]]> Tue, 03 Apr 2012 12:38:44 CDT Re: 2010 FBC - Electrical Code Changes http://www.iaeifl.org/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/8780/Re_2010_FBC_Electrical_Code_Ch.html#Post8780 Posted by Bryan Holland:
Here is a list of the significant code changes for ALL trades in case you haven't seen it...]]> Wed, 29 Feb 2012 08:25:46 CST Re: Transformer primary and secondary conductors http://www.iaeifl.org/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/8761/Re_Transformer_primary_and_sec.html#Post8761 Posted by Nick Sasso:
10-4, then I agree with the gang, can't find that requirement. I just checked 300 again just now.]]> Wed, 22 Feb 2012 13:00:44 CST Re: Low Voltage http://www.iaeifl.org/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/8756/Re_Low_Voltage.html#Post8756 Posted by DAEngelhart:
Updated statement (as it seems I could not edit my previous post); typically building plans that indicate conduit with pullstrings for the indicated locations does not provide wiring information for which either a revision for the wiring/cabling information is provided, or a separate permit (...)]]> Sat, 18 Feb 2012 13:01:04 CST Re: Temporary power http://www.iaeifl.org/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/8755/Re_Temporary_power.html#Post8755 Posted by DAEngelhart:
Not too many t-poles installed here, but I would think that if they (whom ever set up the account for the power by the utility; FPL, LCEC) stop paying for the power by the utility, the utility would disconnect it themselves. Otherwise, there is no official procedure, and I believe the utility (...)]]> Sat, 18 Feb 2012 12:42:22 CST Re: Chargers - Nissan Leaf, Chevy Volt, etc., etc. http://www.iaeifl.org/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/8742/Re_Chargers_Nissan_Leaf_Chevy_.html#Post8742 Posted by Nick Sasso:
Maybe I'm reading it wrong...?]]> Fri, 10 Feb 2012 13:16:03 CST Re: LISTING FOR SAUNA http://www.iaeifl.org/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/8719/Re_LISTING_FOR_SAUNA.html#Post8719 Posted by Nick Sasso:
Thank you.]]> Tue, 31 Jan 2012 07:57:29 CST Re: Junction boxes in attics http://www.iaeifl.org/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/8710/Re_Junction_boxes_in_attics.html#Post8710 Posted by inspector32513:
PS: the SR-71 is on display at he "Air Force Armament Museum" in Ft. Walton Beach Florida. a beautiful aircraft. Gains 11" in length when at Mach 3 due to skin heating by air friction. The fuel tanks would leak at ground temperature. the (kerosene) leaking out would flame- causing (...)]]> Mon, 16 Jan 2012 21:27:15 CST Re: NEMA Southern Area Field Rep Vacancy http://www.iaeifl.org/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/8705/Re_NEMA_Southern_Area_Field_Re.html#Post8705 Posted by Bryan Holland:
For more information about the NEMA field program, follow this link:

http://www.nema.org/stds/fieldreps/]]> Fri, 13 Jan 2012 10:04:04 CST Re: 2011 / 2014 NEC Adoption http://www.iaeifl.org/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/8701/Re_2011_2014_NEC_Adoption.html#Post8701 Posted by ronwampler:
Who's on first? Whats 'is name?]]> Tue, 10 Jan 2012 13:27:26 CST Re: Solar Panels installed on Light Poles http://www.iaeifl.org/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/8686/Re_Solar_Panels_installed_on_L.html#Post8686 Posted by Nick Sasso:
That is a great point about the labeling. I did not get much slack so far after I red tagged it. I was only there about 5 minutes (been pushed for time lately) so if I can get more details I will post back. If I ever get time I may also give a call to Wiley.]]> Fri, 06 Jan 2012 20:49:53 CST Re: How many inspections is too many? http://www.iaeifl.org/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/8684/Re_How_many_inspections_is_too.html#Post8684 Posted by Ruben Rocha:
Originally Posted By: Nick Sasso
10-4, didn't know that I could.

Let me know if you are not able to.
Of course you also are able to censor posts, though not suggested on this site.]]> Thu, 05 Jan 2012 17:18:22 CST Re: Overcurrent protection for residential cooking equipment. http://www.iaeifl.org/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/8653/Re_Overcurrent_protection_for_.html#Post8653 Posted by SOwings:
The question is about cooktops and wall mounted oves with an individual branch circuit that are below 8 3/4 kw. 422.10 tells you to use 220.55 and when you do you really need to read note 4 because IF they are not ranges, you use the nameplate rating. 210.19(A)(3) says this but we all get (...)]]> Fri, 30 Dec 2011 14:58:12 CST Re: Generator (portable) power inlet http://www.iaeifl.org/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/8652/Re_Generator_portable_power_in.html#Post8652 Posted by DAEngelhart:
A generator inlet is a receptacle per NEC 100; IMHO.
I wonder what the difference in '11NEC 406.9(B)(1)&(2) is other than the requirement of the weather resistant device in (1).]]> Fri, 30 Dec 2011 14:19:26 CST Re: Panel Feeders http://www.iaeifl.org/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/8650/Re_Panel_Feeders.html#Post8650 Posted by DAEngelhart:
As long as the engineer had the loads accurately accounted for and balanced in the service, I see no problem.]]> Fri, 30 Dec 2011 11:54:51 CST Re: Continuing Education Advanced Module http://www.iaeifl.org/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/8643/Re_Continuing_Education_Advanc.html#Post8643 Posted by Bryan Holland:
Unfortunatley we do not.

The Advanced Module Course, 7995-A "Advanced National Electrical Code on Listed & Labeled Electrical Equipment", expired back in May and was not renewed.

I have requested a discussion on Chapter education to be added to the January BOD meeting. I am hoping the board (...)]]> Sat, 24 Dec 2011 08:54:41 CST Re: What constitutes a bend in conduit http://www.iaeifl.org/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/8634/Re_What_constitutes_a_bend_in_.html#Post8634 Posted by ronwampler:
As we all know there are many variables here. THWN or any nylon coated conductor pulls or even pushes thru ENT (smurf-tube). I have always adhered to the 3-90's and a pullbox or to what seemed the equivalent. Distance is also a factor even for straight pulls. Conduit fill and insulation type. (...)]]> Tue, 20 Dec 2011 12:29:17 CST Re: Solar Farm http://www.iaeifl.org/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/8610/Re_Solar_Farm.html#Post8610 Posted by Nick Sasso:
Originally Posted By: COTInspector
Am I to late to give my 2 cents worth?


Never too late, Neal.

Originally Posted By: COTInspector
Nick, I have a couple of questions.
Is this an Utility interactive system?


To the best of my knowledge - yes it is.

Originally Posted By: COTInspector
Are there (...)
]]> Mon, 05 Dec 2011 09:27:49 CST Re: Evaluation of "Alternative Equipotential Bonding Means" - Final Report http://www.iaeifl.org/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/8577/Re_Evaluation_of_quot_Alternat.html#Post8577 Posted by Bryan Holland:
Quote:
To: NEC CMP-17 Members

From: Donny Cook, NEC CMP-17 Chair

At the request of past Chair, Don Jhonson, the Fire Protection Research Foundation initiated a research project related to the NEC bonding requirements for perimeter surfaces of swimming pools. The final report for that project was (...)
]]> Tue, 15 Nov 2011 10:48:37 CST Re: Pool Pump Motor GFCI Protection FYI: http://www.iaeifl.org/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/8570/Re_Pool_Pump_Motor_GFCI_Protec.html#Post8570 Posted by Bryan Holland:
We City of North Port / City of Venice have been enforcing GFCI protection of swimming pool pumps since May 28, 2011 to comply with the changes to ANSI/UL 1081...]]> Sat, 12 Nov 2011 21:15:33 CST Re: PV SYSTEM - Question on Disconnecting Means http://www.iaeifl.org/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/8557/Re_PV_SYSTEM_Question_on_Disco.html#Post8557 Posted by Bryan Holland:
Originally Posted By: SOwings
We have not asked for Florida Solar lab certification, only a state solar contractor license (or unlimited).



Quote:
377.705 Solar Energy Center; development of solar energy standards
(4) FLORIDA SOLAR ENERGY CENTER TO SET STANDARDS, REQUIRE DISCLOSURE, SET TESTING (...)
]]> Fri, 04 Nov 2011 07:45:13 CDT Re: Hot tub wiring http://www.iaeifl.org/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/8523/Re_Hot_tub_wiring.html#Post8523 Posted by ronwampler:
You didn't indicate 6/3 w/grd.NM cable so the answer is no.]]> Wed, 26 Oct 2011 12:57:55 CDT Re: 2011 Code Change Webinar - FREE http://www.iaeifl.org/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/8513/Re_2011_Code_Change_Webinar_FR.html#Post8513 Posted by Bryan Holland:
Thanks Greg...]]> Mon, 24 Oct 2011 07:20:19 CDT Re: Geothermal Heat Pump http://www.iaeifl.org/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/8496/Re_Geothermal_Heat_Pump.html#Post8496 Posted by Nick Sasso:
I just read the schematics and yes, they do have internal fuse protection...thanks!]]> Tue, 18 Oct 2011 01:09:10 CDT Re: SABC http://www.iaeifl.org/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/8492/Re_SABC.html#Post8492 Posted by jumper:
Originally Posted By: Ruben Rocha
Your final post in the other forum cleared up my problem with understanding what the real issue was with the home inspector.

But anyway don't be a lurker here. This site is all about education and the NEC.
You don't need to be a inspector to contribute.
The nice (...)
]]> Sun, 16 Oct 2011 00:25:37 CDT Re: Location of Gasoline Station Seal-offs http://www.iaeifl.org/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/8478/Re_Location_of_Gasoline_Statio.html#Post8478 Posted by inspector32513:
A little more information (I have been 500 miles away due to a family medical situation) There is a 20 minunite timer activated ventilation fan for the sump area. BUT it is only for activation and min. 20 minute ventalation of the area before entry into 'confined space'.

That solves the (...)]]> Wed, 12 Oct 2011 20:40:49 CDT Re: 2011 NEC (pdf version) http://www.iaeifl.org/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/8464/Re_2011_NEC_pdf_version.html#Post8464 Posted by Mike Timpanaro:
Wy don't you just go to the NFPA web site and buy the pdf version. It also comes in the handbook type.]]> Sat, 08 Oct 2011 09:37:23 CDT Re: AMPilizer - The Power Optimizer http://www.iaeifl.org/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/8455/Re_AMPilizer_The_Power_Optimiz.html#Post8455 Posted by Ruben Rocha:
Here is my 2 cents.
Most all of the utilities here in Florida do not have a residential rate to provide a discount on power factor.
Only commercial customer rates have that option.

So valid or not most all residential customers would not be able to take advantage of power factor correction. At (...)]]> Thu, 06 Oct 2011 16:13:18 CDT Re: Voltage Drop in the codes http://www.iaeifl.org/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/8452/Re_Voltage_Drop_in_the_codes.html#Post8452 Posted by Bryan Holland:
Also keep in mind that while Section 210.19 & 215.2 can only recommend voltage drop limitations (FPNs), there are two (2) sections of the NEC that REQUIRE voltage drop limitations:

Section 647.4(D) for Sensitive Electronic Equipment & 695.7 for Fire Pumps...]]> Thu, 06 Oct 2011 12:59:51 CDT Re: Smoke alarm placement.......again. http://www.iaeifl.org/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/8411/Re_Smoke_alarm_placement_again.html#Post8411 Posted by Nick Sasso:
I was bored so I started going through the 2012 IBC - Residential. There is a requirement for a smoke alarm in a "habitable" attic but not an "unhabitable" attics.

? confused
So then I had to go into definitions to see what it (...)]]> Thu, 29 Sep 2011 20:49:56 CDT Re: OSHA revokes Wyle Laboratories, Inc as NRTL http://www.iaeifl.org/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/8396/Re_OSHA_revokes_Wyle_Laborator.html#Post8396 Posted by Bryan Holland:
Yep...

OSHA only recogizes 4 product standards organizations:

ANSI
UL
ASTM
FM

ONLY the OSHA - NRTL's are recognized to certify and test products to a standard by one of the above organizations.

Confusion arises due to the fact that UL both writes the standards & is a NRTL. But these two aspects of (...)]]> Mon, 26 Sep 2011 15:57:58 CDT Re: Dwelling unit / Firehouse? http://www.iaeifl.org/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/8389/Re_Dwelling_unit_Firehouse.html#Post8389 Posted by ronwampler:
This would be a mixed use R-2/S-2. It would not be a dwelling unit as much as a dormitory or group living arrangement. I would apply 210-8 and AFCI requirements. Where it gets tricky is in the kitchen. A commercial kitchen requires a Class I kitchen exhaust hood, grease duct and suppression. (...)]]> Thu, 22 Sep 2011 17:07:41 CDT Re: New Requirement in the 2010 Florida Energy Conservation Code http://www.iaeifl.org/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/8388/Re_New_Requirement_in_the_2010.html#Post8388 Posted by ronwampler:
We will all be going to LED lighting eventually and gov. regs like this will be pointless... ]]> Thu, 22 Sep 2011 16:57:43 CDT Re: Transformers and 110.26(A) http://www.iaeifl.org/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/8383/Re_Transformers_and_110_26_A.html#Post8383 Posted by Joe L. DuPriest:
Several good thought provoking opinions given. Odd how a string can take a life of it's own. Going from 110.26 working space for a transformer to equipment located in closets, attics, and such. How maybe it shouldn't really apply to receptacles and switches, to judgement calls, to (...)]]> Wed, 21 Sep 2011 12:04:04 CDT Re: Article 517 http://www.iaeifl.org/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/8367/Re_Article_517.html#Post8367 Posted by Paul J Cameron:
Thanks gentlemen, I also agree. ]]> Wed, 14 Sep 2011 15:37:35 CDT Re: AFCI Protection for Outets in Room Addition http://www.iaeifl.org/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/8356/Re_AFCI_Protection_for_Outets_.html#Post8356 Posted by John Belew:
Agree, AFCI would be required.]]> Fri, 09 Sep 2011 09:17:31 CDT Re: Citing a Lack of Usage, Costco Removes E.V. Chargers http://www.iaeifl.org/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/8342/Re_Citing_a_Lack_of_Usage_Cost.html#Post8342 Posted by Bryan Holland:
This is a funny coincidence. I was reading your response while sitting in a BOAF Energy Class presented by John England.

He asked the class if we have ever heard of a 2-pole, 4-wire, solar clothes dryer. Having an electrical background, I was picturing all sorts of configurations in my head (...)]]> Tue, 23 Aug 2011 19:34:19 CDT Re: Service Conductors in Parallel http://www.iaeifl.org/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/8335/Re_Service_Conductors_in_Paral.html#Post8335 Posted by Mike Timpanaro:
I too now agree with Nick.

My first understanding was that the neutral first terminated into the polaris tap, than to bonded to the gutter. I would not have a problem with that, since it terminated with the other parallel neutral conductors at the same point.

But with the new understanding, (...)]]> Thu, 18 Aug 2011 09:41:45 CDT Re: Recessed IC fixtures http://www.iaeifl.org/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/8289/Re_Recessed_IC_fixtures.html#Post8289 Posted by Nick Sasso:
So what is your point? That a 40W bulb will not be sufficient? Agree, but I didn't design the place, I just inspect it. The original poster had a valid point, and maybe red-tagging a final or two for this issue, it might make the builder reconsider using the inferior can with the 40W (...)]]> Sun, 31 Jul 2011 23:15:17 CDT Re: New Receptacle http://www.iaeifl.org/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/8282/Re_New_Receptacle.html#Post8282 Posted by gfretwell:
I imagine the real problem is the market analysis came back that if they couldn't get this in under $5 a unit, nobody was going to buy it.
I am still not sure what it is good for. Most receptacles are not that conveniently placed to be plugging and unplugging things and isn't this, (...)]]> Tue, 26 Jul 2011 23:13:03 CDT Re: TIA on spa bonding http://www.iaeifl.org/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/8280/Re_TIA_on_spa_bonding.html#Post8280 Posted by conner11:
I am glad they have made this change.]]> Tue, 26 Jul 2011 08:33:00 CDT Re: Electrical Code Coalition http://www.iaeifl.org/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/8279/Re_Electrical_Code_Coalition.html#Post8279 Posted by Bryan Holland:
Electrical Code Coalition issues new proclamations

Statements signed in conjunction with Electrical Safety Month

July 19, 2011— The Electrical Code Coalition, of which the International Association of Electrical Inspectors (IAEI) is a member, has issued a series of new proclamations in (...)]]> Tue, 26 Jul 2011 07:33:28 CDT Re: low voltage wiring in Type II (5 story) Residence http://www.iaeifl.org/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/8262/Re_low_voltage_wiring_in_Type_.html#Post8262 Posted by SOwings:
Thanks, Bryan, thats about where I end up. FBC 712 requires penetrations of fire walls to be sealed and NEC 725 also requires floors to be sealed.
Just seems odd they would restrict NM cable but not others.
]]> Wed, 15 Jun 2011 12:29:20 CDT Re: 2014 National Electrical Code http://www.iaeifl.org/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/8252/Re_2014_National_Electrical_Co.html#Post8252 Posted by Bryan Holland:
Deadline for Submitting Proposals for NEC-2014: November 4, 2011

As a member, we welcome you to contribute your expertise in promoting code proposals to the NEC code-making panels. IAEI supports two members of each code-making panels, and we encourage you to write your proposals or comments (...)]]> Wed, 01 Jun 2011 07:42:25 CDT Re: General AFCI Questions http://www.iaeifl.org/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/8250/Re_General_AFCI_Questions.html#Post8250 Posted by Dan Wellins:
I figured... Was just inquiring. Thank you]]> Thu, 26 May 2011 14:40:50 CDT Re: Laundry Circuit http://www.iaeifl.org/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/8236/Re_Laundry_Circuit.html#Post8236 Posted by Nick Sasso:
I don't believe the original question - was about plugging in portable devices, or a radio, or a night-lite, or a phone charger.

One can cloud the issue 1000 different ways, but the intent of the code is clear and remains the same.

]]> Mon, 16 May 2011 20:05:11 CDT Re: 2010 UL-IAEI Report http://www.iaeifl.org/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/8208/Re_2010_UL_IAEI_Report.html#Post8208 Posted by gfretwell:
I can understand some of your frustration. People tend to say "U/L" when they mean NRTL and I think U/L likes it that way. They really want to be THE lab so I can see them trying to minimize the validity of everyone else.]]> Tue, 03 May 2011 15:39:43 CDT Re: SB 838 / HB 607 - Journeyman Requirement http://www.iaeifl.org/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/8191/Re_SB_838_HB_607_Journeyman_Re.html#Post8191 Posted by TerryR:
I agree with Ron.]]> Wed, 20 Apr 2011 12:40:51 CDT Re: 2011 NEC Errata Sheet http://www.iaeifl.org/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/8175/Re_2011_NEC_Errata_Sheet.html#Post8175 Posted by Bryan Holland:
A 2008 NEC Errata was never published...]]> Tue, 05 Apr 2011 05:42:32 CDT Re: Citizens Insurance & Aluminum Wiring http://www.iaeifl.org/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/8158/Re_Citizens_Insurance_amp_Alum.html#Post8158 Posted by Bryan Holland:
FYI:

Quote:
Please be aware that on April 4th at 3:00 pm the Electrical TAC will take up a discussion of effective remediation methods for aluminum wiring in residences. This has become a very important topic since many insurance companies have recently taken the position that they will not (...)
]]> Wed, 23 Mar 2011 10:01:53 CDT Re: Apartments with no smoke alarms http://www.iaeifl.org/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/8152/Re_Apartments_with_no_smoke_al.html#Post8152 Posted by Bryan Holland:
I agree...]]> Mon, 21 Mar 2011 06:34:26 CDT Re: Pool bonding - Ground mat - 680.26 http://www.iaeifl.org/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/8137/Re_Pool_bonding_Ground_mat_680.html#Post8137 Posted by Ruben Rocha:
Originally Posted By: gfretwell
Where does the #8 go if this whole thing is sitting on an elevated plastic deck?

It goes on the green plastic screw. That is listed for use!
Mounted on the rest of the non-conductive material.
Smile.]]> Fri, 11 Mar 2011 14:41:34 CST Re: Circuits not to be grounded http://www.iaeifl.org/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/8099/Re_Circuits_not_to_be_grounded.html#Post8099 Posted by Heinz R.:
Bryan:
Seems I'm wrong again. I always thought Deloreans time travelled in very expensive sports cars with gull wing doors, sort of like the DMC-12.
In seriousness, I understand that one grounding is incidental while the other is intentional but is there any significant arcing difference (...)]]> Fri, 25 Feb 2011 17:21:39 CST Re: Power company solutions http://www.iaeifl.org/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/8092/Re_Power_company_solutions.html#Post8092 Posted by Ruben Rocha:
I am not saying I agree with this.
But,
I have never seen that done on a overhead service.
Usually they will do that on a underground service.
If they have a bad conductor.
Then eventually a contractor shows up to re-trench the new conductors.
]]> Thu, 24 Feb 2011 16:02:49 CST Re: 250.104 http://www.iaeifl.org/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/8079/Re_250_104.html#Post8079 Posted by Bryan Holland:
I believe it is up to the AHJ and/or their representative to determine what is effectively bonded and what means or code section is to be used to make that bond AND not the design professional overseeing the project.

Instead, the design professional should be detailing the means to make the (...)]]> Tue, 22 Feb 2011 18:05:33 CST Re: Ideal Splice line connector http://www.iaeifl.org/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/8067/Re_Ideal_Splice_line_connector.html#Post8067 Posted by gfretwell:
http://www.idealindustries.com/prodDetail.do?prodId=spliceline&div=0&l1=push-in

They handed out a few of these at that ECF meeting where Bryan did the swimming pool talk.

There has been an interesting conversation over on ECN forum about it.
One interesting thing is in the literature (specs PDF)

]]> Mon, 14 Feb 2011 17:03:23 CST Re: NEC 422.31B and 34 http://www.iaeifl.org/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/8065/Re_NEC_422_31B_and_34.html#Post8065 Posted by Nova:
Nick from your post; you would allow the control on the unit without the breaker lock? Ex. Kitchen not within sight of panelboard?]]> Mon, 14 Feb 2011 12:07:44 CST Re: Article 504 http://www.iaeifl.org/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/8055/Re_Article_504.html#Post8055 Posted by hotsparks1:
I would say a seal off in the dispensor area for this cable is needed.art.514.9 (a)]]> Fri, 11 Feb 2011 14:57:28 CST Re: SO cord usage http://www.iaeifl.org/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/8049/Re_SO_cord_usage.html#Post8049 Posted by SOwings:
Several thing pop into my head on this. I believe going through the wall is like going through a ceiling. I say this because way back when I used to to service work and was called out to several stores where the fire dept. had busted them for cords through a wall (this may possibly be a NFPA (...)]]> Thu, 10 Feb 2011 20:39:10 CST Re: Revision to UL676 - Standard for Underwater Luminaires http://www.iaeifl.org/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/8045/Re_Revision_to_UL676_Standard_.html#Post8045 Posted by Bryan Holland:
Hello Everyone,

An important change has been made to UL676 Standard for Underwater Luminaires. In short, the term “salt water” will be changed to “sea water” in reference to product markings and when determining suitability of use for underwater luminaires. The change also stipulates that (...)]]> Wed, 09 Feb 2011 13:57:56 CST Re: Florida Statute 489.503 (14) (a) http://www.iaeifl.org/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/8042/Re_Florida_Statute_489_503_14_.html#Post8042 Posted by Ruben Rocha:
Originally Posted By: lowvoltageworker
I have a very good question this exemption 14 (a) what types of companies is the meant for? Utilities or any company that opens a shop installing cable/coax or Cat5e wiring for Data/Phone?

Also would it cover work subcontracted out to independant (...)
]]> Thu, 03 Feb 2011 17:09:13 CST Re: 1882-1940 Editions of the NEC Download http://www.iaeifl.org/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/8040/Re_1882_1940_Editions_of_the_N.html#Post8040 Posted by Bryan Holland:
By the way, this doesn't apply to the NEC alone. You can get pdf documents of many of the other standards such as the NFPA 780 (78) for lightning protection, and the NFPA 13 for Fire Sprinkler SYstems for example... Most dating back to the early 1900's and before in some cases...]]> Wed, 02 Feb 2011 11:30:53 CST Re: New MyFloridaLicense.com Registration http://www.iaeifl.org/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/8037/Re_New_MyFloridaLicense_com_Re.html#Post8037 Posted by Bryan Holland:
Dear Licensee:

Over the past few weeks, DBPR has been in the process of upgrading its online services. We are working to put most of our applications online to streamline the application process and reduce licensure times. Until recently, we had been working with an outdated system, so an (...)]]> Sat, 29 Jan 2011 19:42:14 CST Re: ARE you using an AFCI tester and if so - WILL it trip the breaker? http://www.iaeifl.org/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/8036/Re_ARE_you_using_an_AFCI_teste.html#Post8036 Posted by psnorthrup:
UL still says the best way to test an AFCI breaker is to use the test button the breaker although sometimes I use a Cutler Hammer
AFCI tester to trip the circuit to see what goes off, It was the only tester that worked on the homeline afci breakers]]> Fri, 28 Jan 2011 08:20:35 CST Re: Online Resource for Building Officials and Electrical Professionals by UL http://www.iaeifl.org/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/8019/Re_Online_Resource_for_Buildin.html#Post8019 Posted by Bryan Holland:


Resource for Building Officials:

http://www.ul.com/global/eng/pages/offerings/perspectives/regulator/building/


Resource for Electrical Professionals:

http://www.ul.com/global/eng/pages/offerings/perspectives/regulator/electrical/technicaltopics/]]> Mon, 24 Jan 2011 19:51:21 CST Re: buildings on fixed piers http://www.iaeifl.org/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/8018/Re_buildings_on_fixed_piers.html#Post8018 Posted by gfretwell:
I agree the rebar in concrete pilings is an attractive ground if you have access to it but that would have had to happen when the pier was built. I suppose that is something to consider if you know there will be a building out there when you permit the pier.
]]> Mon, 24 Jan 2011 11:39:59 CST Re: UL Warns of Electrical Metallic Tubing (EMT) Elbows and Bends With Inadequa http://www.iaeifl.org/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/8006/Re_UL_Warns_of_Electrical_Meta.html#Post8006 Posted by Bryan Holland:
UL Warns of Electrical Metallic Tubing (EMT) Elbows and Bends With Inadequate Corrosion Protection

NORTHBROOK, Ill., (Date) - Underwriters Laboratories (UL) is notifying AHJs, electrical contractors, electricians and retailers that Electrical Metallic Tubing (EMT) elbows and bends (...)]]> Thu, 20 Jan 2011 08:57:07 CST Re: UL Warns of Electric Signs With Unauthorized UL Marks http://www.iaeifl.org/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/8005/Re_UL_Warns_of_Electric_Signs_.html#Post8005 Posted by Bryan Holland:
UL Warns of Electric Signs With Unauthorized UL Marks

Northbrook, Ill., -- Jan. 18, 2011: Underwriters Laboratories (UL) is notifying sign installers and Authorities Having Jurisdiction that electric signs manufactured by Speed Service Sign, British Columbia, Canada bear an unauthorized UL (...)]]> Thu, 20 Jan 2011 08:54:55 CST Re: New Electrical Contractor - BEST BUY? http://www.iaeifl.org/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/8001/Re_New_Electrical_Contractor_B.html#Post8001 Posted by gfretwell:
We have to believe if it is a licensed contractor, they will get a permit and install it in a way that the AHJ thinks is compliant.
If the world was perfect that is the way it would work wink]]> Wed, 19 Jan 2011 17:35:27 CST Re: Mechanical Contractor Performing Electrical Work http://www.iaeifl.org/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/7995/Re_Mechanical_Contractor_Perfo.html#Post7995 Posted by Ruben Rocha:
This exemption has been around a long time. At least in pinellas county.
I recall whenever this issue came up the city of St. Pete always stated.
But it needs to be only allowed when replacing the same equipment. Which will not happen. Because the seer rating keeps going up. And the over (...)]]> Wed, 19 Jan 2011 15:10:10 CST Re: do not ground something using a SHEET METAL screw http://www.iaeifl.org/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/7990/Re_do_not_ground_something_usi.html#Post7990 Posted by SOwings:
The key word is "machine screw". A machine screw has fine treads like a 6-32, 8-32, 10-24, 1/4-20 screw. A sheet metal screw is like a wood screw and has a coarse, winding thread. Machine screws have matching nuts to be used with them.
I hope this helps...]]> Wed, 19 Jan 2011 11:31:21 CST Re: odd arrangement for double-pole breakers http://www.iaeifl.org/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/7988/Re_odd_arrangement_for_double_.html#Post7988 Posted by psnorthrup:
I think that those of us who worked in the field, all did some things that at the time seemed clever and inovative and as Mike said made us good electricians able to adapt to adverse situations, but looking back are things that we as inspectors now know are unacceptable practices]]> Wed, 19 Jan 2011 08:31:43 CST Re: Is there a conflict between 220.61 and 240.4? http://www.iaeifl.org/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/7971/Re_Is_there_a_conflict_between.html#Post7971 Posted by mazda:
Thanks for the info....]]> Sun, 16 Jan 2011 06:01:42 CST Re: NM installed under a house http://www.iaeifl.org/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/7964/Re_NM_installed_under_a_house.html#Post7964 Posted by gfretwell:
Nick, if your house is truly a stem wall house, why didn't they fill the box with dirt and pour a slab floor? That is the way they build stem wall houses over here. ]]> Thu, 13 Jan 2011 12:22:24 CST Re: Red Light Cameras http://www.iaeifl.org/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/7956/Re_Red_Light_Cameras.html#Post7956 Posted by gfretwell:
Quote:
For years the state buildings, schools, universities, etc. were exempt from the building code and inspection.


That is not exactly true. The state just did internal permitting out of the department of management services and after the law change in 1995-6 they had state licensed (...)]]> Mon, 10 Jan 2011 15:09:58 CST Re: Arc-fault in cabana http://www.iaeifl.org/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/7937/Re_Arc_fault_in_cabana.html#Post7937 Posted by gfretwell:
I suppose you really need to look at the plan but the ones I see are more of a changing room and a bathroom. They are usually not big enough to be called a recreation room.. I suppose it really depends on how rich the people are. There are probably mother in law apartments that get called cabanas.]]> Mon, 03 Jan 2011 22:34:07 CST Re: phone and data wire installed in wet location http://www.iaeifl.org/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/7912/Re_phone_and_data_wire_install.html#Post7912 Posted by psnorthrup:
Try the 2010 UL White Book Category (DUZX) page 109 or the UL Website, Product marking on the Cable will indicate the use in accordance with that category]]> Mon, 20 Dec 2010 08:06:21 CST Re: TIA for Bonding Requirements at Spas http://www.iaeifl.org/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/7899/Re_TIA_for_Bonding_Requirement.html#Post7899 Posted by Paul J Cameron:
Also led to them not getting permits for spas.]]> Mon, 06 Dec 2010 11:23:55 CST Re: Galvan Hammer-On Ground Clamps http://www.iaeifl.org/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/7898/Re_Galvan_Hammer_On_Ground_Cla.html#Post7898 Posted by Bryan Holland:
Now there's a lower cost, easier-to-install and more tamper-resistant way for utility crews to secure their grounding conductor connections to rod electrodes.

One-piece Galvan Hammer-On Rod Clamps offer a simple compression-type connection. Their "irreversible feature" resists removal by (...)]]> Fri, 03 Dec 2010 08:24:07 CST Re: Awning recall http://www.iaeifl.org/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/7892/Re_Awning_recall.html#Post7892 Posted by Ruben Rocha:
I used to subscribe to this site and post them but it seemed nobody cared.]]> Sat, 20 Nov 2010 14:52:06 CST Re: Electrical Book Recommendation http://www.iaeifl.org/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/7888/Re_Electrical_Book_Recommendat.html#Post7888 Posted by Bryan Holland:
For all of you that are electrical history buffs, I would like to recommend a recently published book and two related websites.

The book is called, “Where Discovery Sparks Imagination – A Pictorial History of Radio and Electricity” by, John D. Jenkins.

The 200+ page book costs about $35. I (...)]]> Fri, 19 Nov 2010 05:50:54 CST Re: 110.14 Dissimilar Metals http://www.iaeifl.org/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/7886/Re_110_14_Dissimilar_Metals.html#Post7886 Posted by gfretwell:
I think this "dissimilar metal" thing is just a knee jerk from the aluminum problem that was more of a "coefficient of linear expansion" thing than a dissimilar metal thing but it has taken on a life of it's own now.
We make copper aluminum connections every day and never give it a second (...)]]> Thu, 18 Nov 2010 19:47:11 CST Re: Panels and such mounted outdoors http://www.iaeifl.org/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/7855/Re_Panels_and_such_mounted_out.html#Post7855 Posted by SOwings:
When you look at 408.37(A) (panelboards) or 240.32 (enclosures for overcurrent protection), they both specifically refer you to 312.2(A) not 312.3. 312.3 appears to be describing loadcenters that are flush mounted.]]> Sun, 17 Oct 2010 19:29:51 CDT Re: Atticle 400.8(5) Cords in ceilings http://www.iaeifl.org/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/7847/Re_Atticle_400_8_5_Cords_in_ce.html#Post7847 Posted by SOwings:
Last note on this, I write to NFPA on this and got a most interesting response from Mark Cloutier as follows:

This is in reply to your email concerning the National Electrical Code® 2008. The NFPA electrical staff cannot approve a particular design or arrangement, however I can provide some (...)]]> Thu, 14 Oct 2010 14:11:26 CDT Re: Just great - Siemens Recalls Circuit Breakers Due to Fire Hazard http://www.iaeifl.org/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/7845/Re_Just_great_Siemens_Recalls_.html#Post7845 Posted by Nick Sasso:
I'm not an accountant but if I'm not mistaken this would qualify for a business loss -- a TAX write-off -- 2.2 MILLION UNITS plus cost to produce and ship!! Must have been one heck of a bad clip. Snif snif


]]> Tue, 12 Oct 2010 21:06:05 CDT Re: Solar PV Guidelines and Checklist http://www.iaeifl.org/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/7838/Re_Solar_PV_Guidelines_and_Che.html#Post7838 Posted by Nick Sasso:
This is great, thanks. Also I think IAEI mag had an article on inspecting these systems, a while back.]]> Wed, 06 Oct 2010 11:25:53 CDT Re: Pool Water Bonding http://www.iaeifl.org/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/7811/Re_Pool_Water_Bonding.html#Post7811 Posted by Bryan Holland:
I witnessed this same stunt performed by Mike Holt several years ago. It was very dramatic. While discussing gfci protection and the way people get shocked, he walks out into the crowd and takes a pitcher of ice water off one of the attendee's tables. He proceeds to dip his relocatable (...)]]> Thu, 30 Sep 2010 06:07:52 CDT Re: Article 600.5a http://www.iaeifl.org/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/7797/Re_Article_600_5a.html#Post7797 Posted by Nick Sasso:
I have served as an expert witness for a case that was a sign - electrocution death. Same thing - circuit was not properly identified, and was on when they thought it was off.

I follow your post except for the last sentence -
"Code only says you must provide at least one sign circuit."

 Mon, 27 Sep 2010 13:28:51 CDT Re: Circuit Directory NEC 408.4 http://www.iaeifl.org/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/7784/Re_Circuit_Directory_NEC_408_4.html#Post7784 Posted by Bryan Holland:
Here's the panel directory in the Great Pyramid in Egypt:


http://www.google.com/url?source=imgres&...zbmRSd8Y-Scq8-Q

]]> Tue, 21 Sep 2010 10:31:45 CDT Re: Significant Changes in the 2011 NEC http://www.iaeifl.org/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/7758/Re_Significant_Changes_in_the_.html#Post7758 Posted by Mike Timpanaro:
Just to let everyone know I will be teaching the 2011 NEC Code Changes For the North Florida Division in
February (Marion County),
March (Jacksonville), and
April (Sumter County),

Electrical Underwriters of NY
May (Otterkill, New York)]]> Tue, 14 Sep 2010 19:45:27 CDT Re: Lightning Protection Licensing and Permitting http://www.iaeifl.org/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/7742/Re_Lightning_Protection_Licens.html#Post7742 Posted by SOwings:
My Take on it:

1) No, there are no provisions in 489 for licensing of this work. Nor are lightning systems listed in Ch. 1 of the items requiring permits or inspections.

2) The building code does require lightning systems(references UL 780) for Hospitals and Nursing Homes and a risk assessment (...)]]> Wed, 08 Sep 2010 17:04:00 CDT Re: Free Preview of the 2011 NEC http://www.iaeifl.org/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/7715/Re_Free_Preview_of_the_2011_NE.html#Post7715 Posted by Bryan Holland:
NFPA offers complimentary preview of 2011 edition of the NEC

Visitors to necplus.org will have first access to code



Please read the news release below.

http://www.nfpa.org/newsReleaseDetails.asp?categoryid=488&itemId=48608&rss=NFPAnewsreleases


]]> Tue, 24 Aug 2010 23:10:10 CDT Re: LOAD CALCULATIONS FOR RESIDENTIAL HOME http://www.iaeifl.org/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/7695/Re_LOAD_CALCULATIONS_FOR_RESID.html#Post7695 Posted by gfretwell:
I went on the web site to see what Lee County says about permit requirements and the requirement just says "electrical amps" but that seems to get distilled down to "sufficient" electrical amps.
The only way to prove that is with a load calc, or so it seemed when I did it.
It may have been (...)]]> Tue, 17 Aug 2010 15:59:20 CDT Re: GEC to footer steel http://www.iaeifl.org/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/7667/Re_GEC_to_footer_steel.html#Post7667 Posted by gfretwell:
Ground rods are a waste of money in these cases. Bonding is the trick. Make all the grounding electrodes in all of the buildings one big GES and you have something.
In our case (IBM) we did not have access to the service without triggering complaints by everyone from the IBEW to the electrical (...)]]> Sat, 14 Aug 2010 21:12:53 CDT Re: Trial Court erred in granting temporary injunction to restore power http://www.iaeifl.org/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/7655/Re_Trial_Court_erred_in_granti.html#Post7655 Posted by ronwampler:
Thanx Nick. Interesting reading...We have an 'Unsafe Structures' program here and follow our City attorney's guidance very closely...]]> Thu, 12 Aug 2010 17:34:45 CDT Re: NFPA 76 http://www.iaeifl.org/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/7654/Re_NFPA_76.html#Post7654 Posted by gfretwell:
I used to design computer rooms and the trigger for applying 645 rules was when you wanted to use 645 exceptions to the regular chapter 3 rules.
Usually as soon as you put in a raised floor and had the hell hole aspects of that, it was a 645 computer room. The other issues are the "loosy (...)]]> Thu, 12 Aug 2010 14:21:56 CDT Re: PhotoVoltiac Inverter Connections http://www.iaeifl.org/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/7628/Re_PhotoVoltiac_Inverter_Conne.html#Post7628 Posted by inspector32513:
Thanks,
I did get the 2 CYCLE rather than two minute shutdown later. The literature sent from the manufacturer (brochure) to the contractor stated the "two minutes"

I also found that the Florida Net Metering law does not allow the utility to demand an "Externally Operable Utility Disconnect (...)]]> Fri, 06 Aug 2010 13:58:56 CDT Re: Fraudulent ETL and UL logos in SE Florida http://www.iaeifl.org/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/7621/Re_Fraudulent_ETL_and_UL_logos.html#Post7621 Posted by gfretwell:
What? They are saying the government is "restraining the trade" of illegal products? Isn't that what we pay them to do?]]> Wed, 04 Aug 2010 14:07:09 CDT Re: CPSC Warns of Dangerous Counterfeit Electrical Products http://www.iaeifl.org/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/7549/Re_CPSC_Warns_of_Dangerous_Cou.html#Post7549 Posted by Bryan Holland:
CPSC Warns of Dangerous Counterfeit Electrical Products

Jul 01, 2010

The Consumer Product Safety Commission is warning consumers that, unlike a fake purse or watch, counterfeit electrical products could pose the risk of injury or death. Counterfeit circuit breakers, power strips, extension (...)]]> Wed, 07 Jul 2010 15:53:35 CDT Re: Solar Contractor (CV) http://www.iaeifl.org/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/7540/Re_Solar_Contractor_CV.html#Post7540 Posted by gfretwell:
Interesting, but it does make sense if this is a grid tie system where the inverter will not put out if it doesn't see the utility.

Assuming everything is working correctly.
We know solar equipment never breaks because they never include "maintenance" in those projections of pay back period. Tue, 06 Jul 2010 17:27:24 CDT Re: GFCI protection of ALL pool pumps - UL 1081 http://www.iaeifl.org/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/7408/Re_GFCI_protection_of_ALL_pool.html#Post7408 Posted by Bryan Holland:
I received this from UL today. I believe this supports my proposal (E3450) to the Fl. Build. Comm. to delete Section 2705 of the FBC that adds an exception to 680.22(B) of the NEC. My hope is this provision being added to the UL standard will get the Florida Pool and Spa lobby in line with (...)]]> Tue, 15 Jun 2010 14:11:51 CDT Re: Cord-connected Wood chipper. http://www.iaeifl.org/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/7398/Re_Cord_connected_Wood_chipper.html#Post7398 Posted by Heinz R.:
Thanks for the info, folks. I suspected that something didn't add up.
But how about the 40A max. spec.? By the way, this product belongs to a neighbor, who called me in when he started blowing 20A fuses (yeah, it's an old house) and was told by the mfg. that he should install 30A fuses. In (...)]]> Fri, 11 Jun 2010 22:15:44 CDT Re: 90.2 http://www.iaeifl.org/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/7389/Re_90_2.html#Post7389 Posted by gfretwell:
Originally Posted By: inspector32513
Mr. Cameron,
... I know that the State does have inspectors, but they are NOT necessarily licensed inspectors under FSS 468; so it would not seem they could say they were providing the oversight ...
Lynn Adams


For the disciplines regulated by the CLIB (...)]]> Thu, 10 Jun 2010 02:29:26 CDT Re: Florida Solar Approval verses NRTL http://www.iaeifl.org/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/7364/Re_Florida_Solar_Approval_vers.html#Post7364 Posted by gfretwell:
I have been looking at one of these systems for almost a year. I spent some time trying to get an answer why Florida was not giving a rebate on these since it is probably the best use of solar PV I have seen but they do not do it. Now the whole program is broke so it is academic.
The big (...)]]> Sat, 05 Jun 2010 23:38:28 CDT Re: 680.10 http://www.iaeifl.org/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/7363/Re_680_10.html#Post7363 Posted by Ruben Rocha:
You are a sick puppy looking for punishment from the masses.

But to have some fun under the deck it appears that you could dig a small trench and slide a chair under the pipe to allow 2" encasement and be out of the the issue.
Then of course deal with where the pipe extends from under the deck.]]> Sat, 05 Jun 2010 21:17:32 CDT Re: Pool WATER grounding http://www.iaeifl.org/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/7347/Re_Pool_WATER_grounding.html#Post7347 Posted by ronwampler:
Yes Lynn there is a curved stainless steel 12 sq. in. bonding plate that is gasketed and bolted into the skimmer sidewall. The stainless bolt accepts a bonding lug. This is the 'Bond Safe 680- Pool Bonding Kit'. It claims UL listing. Might check out www.bondsafe680.com...No it's not mine. A (...)]]> Thu, 03 Jun 2010 18:32:18 CDT Re: "Attic Space" http://www.iaeifl.org/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/7296/Re_quot_Attic_Space_quot.html#Post7296 Posted by JPeer:
My Building Official thinks the same way. The room is what the architech labeled it. He explained that the other codes he is responsible for enforcing must all look at a structure from the same position. Any change in use from the drawings is the owner's responsibility and should be (...)]]> Thu, 27 May 2010 10:32:10 CDT Re: OSHA - NRTL Bulletin http://www.iaeifl.org/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/7254/Re_OSHA_NRTL_Bulletin.html#Post7254 Posted by Bryan Holland:
The following link identifies information from OSHA on the requirement of NRTL certified equipment used in the workplace. This may be useful as a code compliance tool since most non-dwelling inspections will also fall under the OSHA requirements.

https://www.osha.gov/dts/shib/shib021610.html


]]> Mon, 17 May 2010 11:33:28 CDT Re: 310.15.(B)(2)(c) http://www.iaeifl.org/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/7253/Re_310_15_B_2_c.html#Post7253 Posted by Ruben Rocha:
Bryan you need to give that info to the DOT.
I can't tell you haw many bad joints on a bridge I have seen.]]> Sat, 15 May 2010 18:12:09 CDT Re: Fiberglass pool anchors... http://www.iaeifl.org/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/7243/Re_Fiberglass_pool_anchors.html#Post7243 Posted by gfretwell:
Why don't they use galvanized anchors? I am not sure any kind of aluminum really holds up that well when you bury it. That is why we don't use Al GECs isn't it?]]> Thu, 13 May 2010 18:18:17 CDT Re: Ground-Fault Protection for Ungrounded Solar PV Systems http://www.iaeifl.org/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/7242/Re_Ground_Fault_Protection_for.html#Post7242 Posted by Heinz R.:
Thanks Nick and Neal. I haven't seen any ungrounded systems on the dc side either, I suppose they do exist.
Just trying to understand the "whys" of the Code. Makes it easier to remember and there really should be an underlying safety consideration for every requirement. I was trying to ferret (...)]]> Thu, 13 May 2010 16:32:28 CDT Re: step down transformer http://www.iaeifl.org/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/7238/Re_step_down_transformer.html#Post7238 Posted by ronwampler:
Of course...an isolated electrode can not be used. The GES is a system after all and all separately derived systems and all utility services of 1ph. and 3ph. are required to be interconnected to the same system; otherwise we have voltage (potentials) between adjacent equipment fed from (...)]]> Thu, 13 May 2010 14:54:01 CDT Re: Panel Change out http://www.iaeifl.org/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/7211/Re_Panel_Change_out.html#Post7211 Posted by COTInspector:
My understanding is that Citizens wants any panel that is over 30 years old to be replaced. Welcome to the forum Chris, do you have anything in writing from Citizens that states they want the service upgraded and not just the panel changed? It would help in future cases like this.Ruben, Nick (...)]]> Sat, 08 May 2010 22:20:59 CDT Re: GFCI protection for garages http://www.iaeifl.org/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/7181/Re_GFCI_protection_for_garages.html#Post7181 Posted by Paul J Cameron:
Thanks guys,
Mike, I missed the bar on the right side, my book isn't in the best shape and it was right near the edge of the page. Hope to see some of you next week in Tampa.]]> Wed, 28 Apr 2010 10:24:32 CDT Re: Double-Insulated Tools http://www.iaeifl.org/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/7160/Re_Double_Insulated_Tools.html#Post7160 Posted by Heinz R.:
Thanks, Mike and PSNorthrup. You've restored my belief that I was reading the Code correctly.
Heinz R.]]> Wed, 21 Apr 2010 18:47:14 CDT Re: Solar PV disconne4cts http://www.iaeifl.org/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/7148/Re_Solar_PV_disconne4cts.html#Post7148 Posted by Nick Sasso:
I'm not sure if this was a (quote) "fire" - could also be the result of arcing and/or loose connection, similarly the way we see a line side meter lug burn up. That happens all the time on meter sockets and nobody ever required a disconnect at the point of attachment. Still a good article (...)]]> Sun, 18 Apr 2010 00:26:07 CDT Re: Specialty License Scope of Work http://www.iaeifl.org/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/7146/Re_Specialty_License_Scope_of_.html#Post7146 Posted by COTInspector:
At least the Unlimited EC was tested on pole bases and concrete.
I had 2 such questions on my 1999 EC test.
I agree with Nick just ask the ECLB.

Neal Burdick ]]> Sat, 17 Apr 2010 15:28:22 CDT Re: 680.23 (B) (2) (b) Wet - Niche Luminaires http://www.iaeifl.org/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/7141/Re_680_23_B_2_b_Wet_Niche_Lumi.html#Post7141 Posted by Ruben Rocha:
Originally Posted By: thomas
Well I stuck my head in the water, and yes the water is still cold, good thing I did not go all of the way in.... There are provisions for a #8 ground wire but i need to find a screw from a pool company, I will get them to drain the pool to niche and install a #8.

]]> Fri, 16 Apr 2010 19:19:28 CDT Re: Emergency Power / Legall Requires Stand-By Power http://www.iaeifl.org/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/7090/Re_Emergency_Power_Legall_Requ.html#Post7090 Posted by Ron Wampler:
Elevators are not usually considered a 'means of egress'. They are a required element of 'accessibilty' to upper levels. FBC requires exit stairways for egress...fire-rated interior or open exterior. Elevators can be commandeered by the Fire Dept. and during fire events normally return to (...)]]> Mon, 12 Apr 2010 14:05:05 CDT Re: Retrofit wired smoke alarms? http://www.iaeifl.org/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/7089/Re_Retrofit_wired_smoke_alarms.html#Post7089 Posted by Ron Wampler:
Don't forget that 2007/9 FBC-Residential Section R313 now requires CO detectors for new construction when the occupancy has attached garages or Fuel Code appliances. These are to be located within 10 feet of sleeping rooms and must be in combination smoke detectors...]]> Mon, 12 Apr 2010 13:29:18 CDT Re: Legally required standby systems http://www.iaeifl.org/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/7058/Re_Legally_required_standby_sy.html#Post7058 Posted by Ron Wampler:
Oops...Legally required standby system...I think that there is such a thing as a listed S.U.S.E. F.P. contoller-transfer switch. I recall one a few years ago...]]> Mon, 05 Apr 2010 14:34:40 CDT Re: 338.10 (B) (4) http://www.iaeifl.org/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/7050/Re_338_10_B_4.html#Post7050 Posted by gfretwell:
That is really no solace if the conductor does handle the full 90c ampacity but the lug on the main breaker burns up. wink
I am only bringing up the "increasing load" issue because people do continue to add loads until the main breaker (...)]]> Sun, 04 Apr 2010 23:24:07 CDT Re: NM Cable protection http://www.iaeifl.org/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/7021/Re_NM_Cable_protection.html#Post7021 Posted by Ron Wampler:
It is possible to route Romex in framing so that it is not subject to damage but not very likely. An 8 ft. level would be enforcible for open runs in areas subject to storage, etc. Guards might be acceptable to the AHJ but cable routed horizontally between studs is 1.poor workmanship (...)]]> Wed, 31 Mar 2010 18:25:40 CDT Re: GEC http://www.iaeifl.org/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/7019/Re_GEC.html#Post7019 Posted by Ruben Rocha:
Exactly.]]> Wed, 31 Mar 2010 17:29:35 CDT Re: Elevators 620.51 http://www.iaeifl.org/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/6995/Re_Elevators_620_51.html#Post6995 Posted by Ron Wampler:
Hmmm...The Fire detector in the top of the shaft should trip only that shunt...A plaque is required in the individual elevator equipment room informing where the shunt-trip is located and that it must be reset to resume power. I would expect each elevator to have it's own shunt-trip and that (...)]]> Tue, 30 Mar 2010 14:05:35 CDT Re: Smoke/CO alarms http://www.iaeifl.org/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/6985/Re_Smoke_CO_alarms.html#Post6985 Posted by Ruben Rocha:
HA HA,
Actually I am in the process up upgrading my alarm system. And I have been looking for a co2/smoke to hardwire.
Also thinking of you a camera, to tie in also. For the back 40 building.
I have had some issues and my neighbor as well with vandalism.
And yes you should not post you are away.
 Sat, 27 Mar 2010 17:22:51 CDT Re: 2009 UL-IAEI Inspectors Report http://www.iaeifl.org/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/6917/Re_2009_UL_IAEI_Inspectors_Rep.html#Post6917 Posted by Bryan Holland:
Please see the attachment for the 2009 UL-IAEI Inspectors Report.

]]> Fri, 19 Mar 2010 07:52:31 CDT Re: 2010 Chapter BOD meeting in Tampa http://www.iaeifl.org/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/6905/Re_2010_Chapter_BOD_meeting_in.html#Post6905 Posted by Joe L. DuPriest:
Fellow Board Members,

I have been having a difficult time with my home computer as many of you know (imbeded virus sending spam e-mails), therefore, I will use this format to ensure that you have been contacted. Please forward this information to any member you know of that may not be a (...)]]> Tue, 16 Mar 2010 14:33:02 CDT Re: OSHA / NRTL Bulletin http://www.iaeifl.org/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/6903/Re_OSHA_NRTL_Bulletin.html#Post6903 Posted by gfretwell:
Florida does not seem to have a state approved plan]]> Mon, 15 Mar 2010 12:17:40 CDT Re: Arc-Fault http://www.iaeifl.org/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/6900/Re_Arc_Fault.html#Post6900 Posted by psnorthrup:
I think that most of us have agreed with that interpretation]]> Fri, 12 Mar 2010 09:41:00 CST Re: 2008 NEC Outlet Applications Document http://www.iaeifl.org/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/6882/Re_2008_NEC_Outlet_Application.html#Post6882 Posted by Bryan Holland:
Following a recent discussion on the BOAF discussion group, Don Fuchs forwarded me this nice little checklist for 2008 outlet requirements in dwellings. While it does have inaccuracies, it is a nice template for anyone that might like to use it.

]]> Mon, 22 Feb 2010 08:53:58 CST Re: CHINESE DRYWALL http://www.iaeifl.org/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/6837/Re_CHINESE_DRYWALL.html#Post6837 Posted by Nick Sasso:
Bryan,

I don't know what it means, or who it includes.

I have to refrain from giving opinion as I am going to bring this up next week at BCAI board meeting. If anyone is in or near St. Augustine please feel free to join us. If you can't stop by you are always free to send me your opinions (...)]]> Thu, 28 Jan 2010 14:06:52 CST Re: Fuel Dispensing facilities http://www.iaeifl.org/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/6818/Re_Fuel_Dispensing_facilities.html#Post6818 Posted by gfretwell:
Let's just hope some Chinese translator, writing the instructions for a troffer whip doesn't confuse MC cable with MI cable. wink]]> Sat, 16 Jan 2010 21:12:00 CST Re: FS 489.503 (14) http://www.iaeifl.org/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/6817/Re_FS_489_503_14.html#Post6817 Posted by Ruben Rocha:
Touchy subject.
My observation is....
Most all per say utilities now sub contract work.
Verizon Fios. Most all are employees except for the initial connection run to the residence. The actual installation in the home could be either one.

Brighthouse,
just about all work is out sourced by (...)]]> Fri, 15 Jan 2010 21:51:27 CST Re: Switch relocate http://www.iaeifl.org/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/6803/Re_Switch_relocate.html#Post6803 Posted by Ron Wampler:
Just rotate the tires Nick...]]> Thu, 14 Jan 2010 14:32:03 CST Re: NFPA report on aged wiring http://www.iaeifl.org/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/6781/Re_NFPA_report_on_aged_wiring.html#Post6781 Posted by Paul J Cameron:
Enjoy!!]]> Fri, 08 Jan 2010 15:01:11 CST Re: 2008 NEC Article 338.10 http://www.iaeifl.org/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/6776/Re_2008_NEC_Article_338_10.html#Post6776 Posted by gfretwell:
I agree, If the wiring is on the home side of the insulation it might not be much warmer than the ceiling]]> Fri, 08 Jan 2010 14:33:11 CST Re: Frequency Drive spped controller for HVAC ???? http://www.iaeifl.org/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/6758/Re_Frequency_Drive_spped_contr.html#Post6758 Posted by Bryan Holland:
I agree with Greg. While VFD's, PLC's, and other electronic equipment can be a little funny acting at times, I don't see anyway what they are suggesting can be a true possibility for the problem.

]]> Wed, 23 Dec 2009 22:05:04 CST Re: existing building code http://www.iaeifl.org/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/6754/Re_existing_building_code.html#Post6754 Posted by hotsparks1:
I stay away from it as much as i can--lol Thanks for the input]]> Tue, 15 Dec 2009 09:15:48 CST Re: NEC 2008 334.15 (C) Crawl Space??? http://www.iaeifl.org/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/6726/Re_NEC_2008_334_15_C_Crawl_Spa.html#Post6726 Posted by Mike Timpanaro:
I think the correct response is that we need to follow the code section. Soooo....all jurisdictions should require protection for the NM cable by running boards, drill holes in floor joist, or staple NM cable on the top of the bottom cord of a floor truss.]]> Sat, 05 Dec 2009 11:43:32 CST Re: Meter Registering no flow of electricity. http://www.iaeifl.org/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/6719/Re_Meter_Registering_no_flow_o.html#Post6719 Posted by DickWidera:
Howdy to Heinz from Dick in Hudson FL.

I have noted your email address. Just to get you thinking about this topic, I want you to give consideration to the following fact. A regular watt hour meter, be it disc operated or digital, is not just a device to register KVA, it is also a demand (...)]]> Wed, 25 Nov 2009 18:02:45 CST Re: 250.146(A) Thread locking means http://www.iaeifl.org/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/6705/Re_250_146_A_Thread_locking_me.html#Post6705 Posted by gfretwell:
That is what the proposal to 2011 is saying.]]> Mon, 09 Nov 2009 22:03:00 CST Re: TAINTED CHINESE DRYWALL TURNS COPPER BLACK http://www.iaeifl.org/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/6700/Re_TAINTED_CHINESE_DRYWALL_TUR.html#Post6700 Posted by gfretwell:
Here is another site
http://www.chinesedrywall.com/

It is interesting what they say about water damage on the ship.
The stuff I saw had black mold on the back. I thought it might have been from hanging the rock before they sealed the block (stucco) but it may have been from water coming out of (...)]]> Sat, 07 Nov 2009 14:19:46 CST Re: Guest rooms and suites Hotel http://www.iaeifl.org/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/6690/Re_Guest_rooms_and_suites_Hote.html#Post6690 Posted by Nick Sasso:
I do not know why the plans examiner didn't catch it.]]> Sat, 31 Oct 2009 20:36:04 CDT Re: Draft 2011 NEC http://www.iaeifl.org/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/6680/Re_Draft_2011_NEC.html#Post6680 Posted by Bryan Holland:
From what I understand, the FBC workplan for the adoption of the 2011 NEC is being altered so that it can be adopted with the 2010 Florida Building Code in December 2011.

However, I wouldn't be opposed to a longer cycle. 5 years would be great...]]> Fri, 23 Oct 2009 17:53:28 CDT Re: NEC 2008 Appendix A-E http://www.iaeifl.org/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/6670/Re_NEC_2008_Appendix_A_E.html#Post6670 Posted by gfretwell:
I noted it in the course evaluation survey. I was waiting to see if they responded. I just wanted to be sure I hadn't missed something somewhere.]]> Tue, 13 Oct 2009 17:34:36 CDT Re: Common Questions Part 1 http://www.iaeifl.org/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/6662/Re_Common_Questions_Part_1.html#Post6662 Posted by Ruben Rocha:
Originally Posted By: COTInspector
It has been kinda dead in here, thought I get some discussions going.
I split it into 2 parts will that work Ruben?

Neal Burdick
City of Tampa
Construction Inspector

No that's fine. Just my observation is ask multiple code section questions at once. It gets a (...)]]> Fri, 09 Oct 2009 21:55:08 CDT Re: 800.156 http://www.iaeifl.org/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/6661/Re_800_156.html#Post6661 Posted by Ruben Rocha:
Well you can take take a couple of ways.
Regardless of cable or phone company.
A cat 5 cable is capable of phone or Ethernet connections.
Then you have WIFI connections.

So if you have one 4 pair twisted cat5 minimum cable out to the the demarc. Then you meet the requirement I guess.
Or just a 6u (...)]]> Fri, 09 Oct 2009 21:24:40 CDT Re: Common Questions Part 2 http://www.iaeifl.org/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/6660/Re_Common_Questions_Part_2.html#Post6660 Posted by Ruben Rocha:
It is funny you said this. In a iaei section meeting years ago. Jim Pauly was speaking on this item when it was added to the nec for the old 2" pvc stub up above the ceiling . Everyone had issues on it. Finally his statement was you have been allowing this for years illegally. So why is there (...)]]> Fri, 09 Oct 2009 19:53:31 CDT Re: FLA in Industrial Controls http://www.iaeifl.org/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/6653/Re_FLA_in_Industrial_Controls.html#Post6653 Posted by Ron Wampler:
Very true. Same for electric signs and primary switchgear. Some of us are spread thin and wear many hats. NRTLs, nameplates and Fla P.E.s become necessary as expedients. Plan review can be very time consuming if evaluating control schematics and ladder diagrams. Throw in use of judgement and (...)]]> Thu, 08 Oct 2009 12:07:38 CDT Re: Maximum number of disconnects http://www.iaeifl.org/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/6633/Re_Maximum_number_of_disconnec.html#Post6633 Posted by Ruben Rocha:
Otay!!
I understand suitable for use.]]> Mon, 28 Sep 2009 18:45:55 CDT Re: feeders http://www.iaeifl.org/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/6625/Re_feeders.html#Post6625 Posted by Ron Wampler:
I agree with 32513. Assuming the mains or calculated load does not exceed the 2/0. The same would apply to replacing only one RHW leg with THWN as a cheap repair...This is not the same principle as parallel sets but similar in that each set must be identical but not with another leg of the (...)]]> Fri, 25 Sep 2009 11:34:24 CDT Re: 200.2 http://www.iaeifl.org/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/6611/Re_200_2.html#Post6611 Posted by gfretwell:
In the computer rooms I have seen with center tapped delta they only serve 3 phase panels with the high leg. The other 2 legs will serve a single phase 120/240 panel for the office loads.
Even with that, we got in trouble with some equipment that had single phase L/L loads.]]> Mon, 21 Sep 2009 03:21:38 CDT Re: Official 2008 NEC Effective Date http://www.iaeifl.org/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/6591/Re_Official_2008_NEC_Effective.html#Post6591 Posted by Bryan Holland:
That is weird. I was given the official word on September 2, that the official date would be October 1.

No wonder everyone is so confused...

]]> Fri, 11 Sep 2009 15:51:13 CDT Re: Code Change 2008 at the Villages http://www.iaeifl.org/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/6573/Re_Code_Change_2008_at_the_Vil.html#Post6573 Posted by Paul J Cameron:
I just wanted to post a brief message about the code change seminar put on by Mike Timpanaro, which I attended, in the Villages this past Saturday. I want to compliment Mike on an Excellent presentation. He had a great turnout (150)and from what I heard around the room everyone enjoyed it and (...)]]> Mon, 31 Aug 2009 12:28:09 CDT Re: Rumor Has It... http://www.iaeifl.org/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/6558/Re_Rumor_Has_It.html#Post6558 Posted by psnorthrup:
Plant City started enforcing the 2008 July 1, so far it has not been a problem, ]]> Tue, 25 Aug 2009 10:32:31 CDT Re: Nylon Jacket on Insulated Conductors http://www.iaeifl.org/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/6555/Re_Nylon_Jacket_on_Insulated_C.html#Post6555 Posted by Nick Sasso:
So, in other words, it is possible that the tears can affect the insulation. I'm not sure what prompted that letter or email, but pay close attention to how he worded it, especially in the first paragraph...

Quote:
...no effect on the insulation VALUES of the cable...


But the cable insulation (...)]]> Fri, 21 Aug 2009 17:46:16 CDT Re: PV Work-Around Attempt http://www.iaeifl.org/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/6550/Re_PV_Work_Around_Attempt.html#Post6550 Posted by Raymfl:
I'll have to wait and see what he comes up with for the load calc. The PV system, by estimate, should save the owner about 200.00 a month. This is an ac system with 42 panels and an Enphase inverter on each panel. He has this linked to the Enphase web site where it shows the physical (...)]]> Sat, 15 Aug 2009 16:25:25 CDT Re: 110.26 (C) (2) http://www.iaeifl.org/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/6533/Re_110_26_C_2.html#Post6533 Posted by John Desjardins:
I said no before. Still say no. There is no substantiation for an alternate method.]]> Thu, 30 Jul 2009 08:57:17 CDT Re: FREE 2008 Code Changes Seminar Sumter County (The Villages) http://www.iaeifl.org/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/6520/Re_FREE_2008_Code_Changes_Semi.html#Post6520 Posted by Bryan Holland:
Thanks Nick.

I am going to do my best to attend this seminar. I have been looking forward to meeting Mike for a couple years now.]]> Tue, 28 Jul 2009 15:05:14 CDT Re: Interesting conundrum about 406.11 http://www.iaeifl.org/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/6508/Re_Interesting_conundrum_about.html#Post6508 Posted by psnorthrup:
Never mind, I see where that came from]]> Fri, 24 Jul 2009 15:05:29 CDT Re: V/D and the NEC http://www.iaeifl.org/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/6493/Re_V_D_and_the_NEC.html#Post6493 Posted by Ron Wampler:
V/D is I*R heat loss so I like seeing it in the energy code...I look at long runs with significant load for conductor sizing...my main concern with oversizing the circuit is to educate designers and contractors to additionally oversize the equipment grounding conductor as required in NEC (...)]]> Wed, 22 Jul 2009 10:38:54 CDT Re: Why TVs get blown up in Md http://www.iaeifl.org/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/6474/Re_Why_TVs_get_blown_up_in_Md.html#Post6474 Posted by gfretwell:
That is new construction, less than 4 months old]]> Mon, 13 Jul 2009 15:46:19 CDT Re: 2008 NEC http://www.iaeifl.org/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/6458/Re_2008_NEC.html#Post6458 Posted by Ruben Rocha:
Well then post your pictures and start the discussions.
]]> Fri, 10 Jul 2009 21:40:00 CDT Re: Solar PV Links http://www.iaeifl.org/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/6428/Re_Solar_PV_Links.html#Post6428 Posted by gfretwell:
I just went through the process for getting your solar PV system "certified" and which systems they will even look at. It is clear this is not intended to spur any innovation. There are only a handful of systems that qualify from Florida based companies and they are all based on fairly old (...)]]> Sat, 27 Jun 2009 12:21:01 CDT Re: Florida Building Code Update http://www.iaeifl.org/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/6423/Re_Florida_Building_Code_Updat.html#Post6423 Posted by Paul J Cameron:
Florida Building Code Update

Dear all interested parties:

The purpose of this email is to provide you with an update regarding the current update to the 2007 Florida Building Code. At the June 9, 2009 Commission meeting, the Commission held a rule adoption hearing regarding Rule 9B-3.047 for (...)]]> Thu, 25 Jun 2009 14:15:57 CDT Re: 2011 NEC - ROP http://www.iaeifl.org/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/6420/Re_2011_NEC_ROP.html#Post6420 Posted by Bryan Holland:
Following is a link to the 2011 NEC – Record of Proposals. While we are still in the midst of adopting the 2008, here is your opportunity to see what changes are potentially coming down the road and perhaps submit a comment on those which interest you.



]]> Fri, 19 Jun 2009 09:15:41 CDT Re: Transformer primary disconnect http://www.iaeifl.org/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/6419/Re_Transformer_primary_disconn.html#Post6419 Posted by Bryan Holland:
I too am curious like Paul. What is / are your concerns?]]> Thu, 18 Jun 2009 19:31:40 CDT Re: Bus Duct http://www.iaeifl.org/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/6418/Re_Bus_Duct.html#Post6418 Posted by barbeer:
I can see nothing in 368 that disallows the other piping systems, nor 110. From there maybe a judgement call.....]]> Thu, 18 Jun 2009 18:01:27 CDT Re: Let's Vote http://www.iaeifl.org/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/6399/Re_Let_s_Vote.html#Post6399 Posted by John Desjardins:
Didn't think of that. It's fine and I think we clarified it.]]> Mon, 15 Jun 2009 18:30:34 CDT Re: 2008 NEC http://www.iaeifl.org/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/6398/Re_2008_NEC.html#Post6398 Posted by John Desjardins:
Paul,
If it says "in accordance with the current NEC" as of July 1, 2009 the current Code in Fl is 2008 and would require GFCI.The Manufacturer is referencing the REAL NEC and not the Florida version for his listing.Again I caution that the Electrical Code in Florida is not the NEC it's the (...)]]> Mon, 15 Jun 2009 18:24:26 CDT Re: Rule 9B – 3.047, GFCI Protection http://www.iaeifl.org/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/6379/Re_Rule_9B_3_047_GFCI_Protecti.html#Post6379 Posted by Bryan Holland:
Here is one commentary on the issue I was able to find online:

Quote:
FBC adopts 2008 NEC, exempting GFCI requirement on residential pools

FSPA President Alan Cooper, "This epitomizes what our government relations program is all about. Further, it is an excellent example of the importance of (...)
]]> Mon, 15 Jun 2009 07:58:26 CDT Re: Section 250.94 http://www.iaeifl.org/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/6357/Re_Section_250_94.html#Post6357 Posted by gfretwell:
I think that once it becomes apparent that a bus bar was provided for the other users, they would quickly adopt to using it. Less parts they have to use. The only real problem is when they decide to come into the house from the other end, away from the service entrance. That is when I usually (...)]]> Thu, 11 Jun 2009 14:26:46 CDT Re: subpanel - generator hookup http://www.iaeifl.org/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/6346/Re_subpanel_generator_hookup.html#Post6346 Posted by Ron Wampler:
p.s....if the genset looses the neutral then the line to neutral voltage will vary between 0 to 240 volts dependent upon the circuit resistance...(ohm's law). This is if the neutral loss is at the genset or before the circuit...some current might try to flow thru the earth connections but the (...)]]> Thu, 04 Jun 2009 11:29:33 CDT Re: 310.15(B)(4)(A) http://www.iaeifl.org/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/6265/Re_310_15_B_4_A.html#Post6265 Posted by Ruben Rocha:
It has been there the last several cycles. Sometime ago it was moved from I believe the notes section at the end of table 310.16
When table310.15(b)(6) was note eight??

But anyway you need to keep reading the section you stated not just part (4)(a) but also (4)(b) and (4)(c)]]> Wed, 29 Apr 2009 16:53:22 CDT Re: Low voltage http://www.iaeifl.org/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/6257/Re_Low_voltage.html#Post6257 Posted by Bryan Holland:
The problem is getting permits and inspections on homes already CO'd, especially from the 'national' installers like the big telecom and cable companies.

Some of the worst installations I have seen are the DISH SYSTEMS (DIRECT TV, DISH NETWORK). Namely the grounding practices and methods.

Not (...)]]> Tue, 21 Apr 2009 17:21:24 CDT Re: SB 2026 and the 2008 NEC http://www.iaeifl.org/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/6244/Re_SB_2026_and_the_2008_NEC.html#Post6244 Posted by Bryan Holland:
It no longer appears that Senate Bill 2026 will have any effect on the adoption of the 2008 NEC. The entire Bill has all but been rewritten by committee...]]> Thu, 02 Apr 2009 22:46:03 CDT Re: Key Changes to the 2008 NEC / 2007 FBC http://www.iaeifl.org/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/6234/Re_Key_Changes_to_the_2008_NEC.html#Post6234 Posted by gfretwell:
I know 2008 NEC addressed the 3 wire feeder, I wondered if Florida did, in this end run around adoption of 2008.]]> Sun, 29 Mar 2009 15:47:05 CDT Re: UL/IAEI Inspectors Meeting Reports http://www.iaeifl.org/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/6196/Re_UL_IAEI_Inspectors_Meeting_.html#Post6196 Posted by Bryan Holland:
The UL/IAEI Inspectors Meeting Report from the 2008 IAEI Section Meetings is now available on the UL Regulators page at UL.com. Please see the link below.


http://www.ul.com/regulators/2008_UL_IAEI_InspectorsMeetingReport.pdf

]]> Mon, 09 Mar 2009 09:05:39 CDT Re: 2011 NEC Proposal, Comments, Reports http://www.iaeifl.org/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/6195/Re_2011_NEC_Proposal_Comments_.html#Post6195 Posted by Bryan Holland:
If you are interesting in viewing all the Proposals, Comments, and other Reports relating to the 2011 - NEC code change process (earlier editions as well), follow the directions provided:

Quote:
Getting to the 2011 NEC Forum

Using your web browser, go to the NEMA website at [url=www.nema.org]
]]> Thu, 05 Mar 2009 16:42:15 CST Re: Back to the basics http://www.iaeifl.org/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/6190/Re_Back_to_the_basics.html#Post6190 Posted by Bryan Holland:
A water barrier wrap, a pan, a diverter shield, something effective but practical.

]]> Tue, 03 Mar 2009 17:55:24 CST Re: Bonding steel framing? http://www.iaeifl.org/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/6169/Re_Bonding_steel_framing.html#Post6169 Posted by gfretwell:
Actually I would not be opposed to expanding the existing Florida FBC rule on bonding steel studs to also bonding aluminum siding, soffit etc if there is electrical wiring or other equipment installed on or through it. The real question would be "how?".
The Christmas light scenario is not as (...)]]> Sat, 28 Feb 2009 01:09:15 CST Re: Mobile Homes http://www.iaeifl.org/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/6165/Re_Mobile_Homes.html#Post6165 Posted by Mike Timpanaro:
Whatever a electrical contractor or (homeowner) wires is required to be permitted, and inspected per State Statute, FBC, and FAC. Doesn't matter if it is a house, shed, well pump, service, or wiring to a structure under NEC 550.]]> Tue, 24 Feb 2009 20:26:35 CST Re: Cypress tounge and groove ceilings http://www.iaeifl.org/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/6147/Re_Cypress_tounge_and_groove_c.html#Post6147 Posted by Ruben Rocha:
Yea that don't solve it.
The problem is it looks like. 2X4 nailed between the trusses with the fan box screwed to the bottom of the 2X4 so if you remove the box you only have the depth of the box plus the vinyl. The box is currently flush with the drywall. So the old work fan boxes don't have (...)]]> Fri, 20 Feb 2009 20:44:27 CST Re: APRIL 2009 - Swimming Pool Safety Month http://www.iaeifl.org/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/6139/Re_APRIL_2009_Swimming_Pool_Sa.html#Post6139 Posted by Bryan Holland:
The final version is in Section E3304 of the FBC - R and Section 2705 of the FBC, 2007 Edition with Glitch Supplement...]]> Wed, 18 Feb 2009 12:09:58 CST Re: Generators http://www.iaeifl.org/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/6111/Re_Generators.html#Post6111 Posted by Alan L. Waters:
To aire on the side of caution I decided to quote the customer for a new conduit with new start wires. Albeit it looks like we could install it with the battery charger and be legal.]]> Fri, 06 Feb 2009 16:34:03 CST Re: Electrical TAC http://www.iaeifl.org/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/6103/Re_Electrical_TAC.html#Post6103 Posted by Mike Timpanaro:
As Nick pointed out:

Quote:
There is an underlying story here that nobody is reporting on. That is how long and hard the battle is to adopt the new code. I really hope that with the 2008 NEC, all the parties who vote for it will stand behind it when it comes time to enforce the "tough parts."


Wed, 04 Feb 2009 14:24:50 CST Re: FBC Electrical TAC Committee Meeting http://www.iaeifl.org/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/6088/Re_FBC_Electrical_TAC_Committe.html#Post6088 Posted by Nick Sasso:
Here is a link to the agenda:


https://www.flrules.org/gateway/readFile.asp?sid=6&tid=6685160&type=1&File=9B.doc]]> Sun, 01 Feb 2009 17:01:22 CST Re: Selective Coordination http://www.iaeifl.org/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/6079/Re_Selective_Coordination.html#Post6079 Posted by Vince DellaCroce:
Great info. I'll be getting in touch with Jeff to see if he is able to attend a future meeting.

Vince Della Croce
Secretary
Treasure Coast Division]]> Thu, 22 Jan 2009 14:32:31 CST Re: ENT 362.10 (2) Exception to (2) http://www.iaeifl.org/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/6078/Re_ENT_362_10_2_Exception_to_2.html#Post6078 Posted by Vince DellaCroce:
Yes]]> Thu, 22 Jan 2009 14:29:19 CST Re: hi-rise Main Electrical Room Layout http://www.iaeifl.org/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/6068/Re_hi_rise_Main_Electrical_Roo.html#Post6068 Posted by Mike Timpanaro:
Joe, I agree with you 100%.]]> Fri, 16 Jan 2009 13:28:16 CST Re: Inspectors noted problems prior to electrocution http://www.iaeifl.org/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/6026/Re_Inspectors_noted_problems_p.html#Post6026 Posted by barbeer:
Two words for you.......... low bidder.]]> Tue, 06 Jan 2009 08:42:28 CST Re: NFPA News http://www.iaeifl.org/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/6006/Re_NFPA_News.html#Post6006 Posted by Bryan Holland:
Thanks Neal. It will be interestng to see how this develops...]]> Mon, 22 Dec 2008 18:58:34 CST Re: sunrooms http://www.iaeifl.org/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/5997/Re_sunrooms.html#Post5997 Posted by John Desjardins:
I agree with Bryan. In Indian River County that's how we made the determination.]]> Fri, 19 Dec 2008 16:01:30 CST Re: Officials: Electrical Cord Cause Of Costco Fire http://www.iaeifl.org/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/5996/Re_Officials_Electrical_Cord_C.html#Post5996 Posted by hotsparks1:
Its amazing how many extension cords i see in commercial buildings.]]> Fri, 19 Dec 2008 12:32:59 CST Re: Ground wire as traveler to make 3-way system http://www.iaeifl.org/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/5976/Re_Ground_wire_as_traveler_to_.html#Post5976 Posted by hotsparks1:
It is very sad.Its also sad that it looks like this is a common practice.]]> Wed, 17 Dec 2008 08:48:34 CST