MINUTES: NOVEMBER 18,1999, IAEI SUNCOAST DIVISION, FLORIDA CHAPTER
GENERAL MEEETING: CITY OF LARGO

INSPECTOR MEMBERS 12 ASSSOCIATE MEMBERS 10 GUESTS 2

1.Following a slight delay to a meeting room being available, at 1:50pm the Suncoast Division proceeded with its November General meeting with our President, Ralph Philbrook, leading the Division in the Pledge to the Flag. Our round robin of introductions took place. Recognized by the Chair was the new Bussmann representative, Kevin Arnold. Kevin spoke briefly about his new endeavor here in Tampa and he spoke about his booth setup at the ECF Tabletop that evening.
Another first time visitor was recognized, Marsal Scanlon, with Underwriters Laboratories.

2.The minutes from the October 21st General Meeting were read and approved as printed. A first motion by Dick Graham and a second by Rich Hittel were made. Minutes were accepted as printed.

3.The Treasure gave his report with total disbursements as $1,385.62. No income was reported at this meeting. Nelson Montgomery made a first motion to accept the Treasure’s report as read and Mac McDonald made a second. All were in favor.

4. The Secretary, Robert Christlieb, briefly discussed the April and May minutes. These minutes will not be published in the bi-monthly magazine due to unforeseen circumstances. The Secretary commented on some administrative situations beyond his control. The Secretary advised the Chair that the Nominating Committee for the Year 2000 Officers awaits appointment by the Division.

5.The Chair appointed the following members to the Nominating Committee: Joe Bolesina, Nelson Montgomery, and Bob Moore. The Secretary will send a letter to each of these members so that they may make their considerations.

6.OLD BUSINESS: Joe Bolesina inquired about the Leviton GFCI’s. Eugene Swisher commented on a problem he had that morning with a GFCI outlet not shutting the power off. Some discussion took place and Nelson Montgomery commented that Bobby Reisdorph would be present at the ECF Tabletop that evening.

No further old business.

7.NEW BUSINESS: Joe Serden with U.L. Introduced Marsal Scanlon who has recently hired on with U.L. Joe discussed a new testing and certification service by U.L. that is available.
Some discussion took place concerning the “CE” mark and NRTL. Discussion took place concerning Nationally Recognized Testing Laboratory and the various levels of testing that exist. Mention of a previous meeting where Scott Wilson, with ETL, had explained NRTL and how they test. Joe Bolesina explained the level of expertise of a NRTL and that a laboratory can only certify to what they are qualified for. The expertise and certification is important to test a piece of equipment. Bill Zanicchi made discussion about municipalities and accepting a piece of equipment or not. Bill went on to explain a personnel experience where he inspected a facility and found that stickers had been put on various pieces of equipment the next day. No mention of the testing facility was made.


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Additional discussion on acceptable testing laboratories commenced and discussion on products took place. Larry Cox commented on a list that Richard Santos referred to from the SBCCI that
has a listing of testing facilities that are acceptable. Nelson Montgomery informed the Division that you can research a name of a certifying company and find out what equipment that company can certify, through the OSHA register. Further discussion on labels and listings took place.

Larry Diaz asked about the current liability insurance and what the current limits of liability are. No one knew what the new limits are.

Nelson Montgomery explained how to find the ECF tabletop in Tampa. Nelson discussed the layout and that 46 tables have been set up. Nelson asked that all who attend to please bring a canned food item with them.

The President initiated discussion on investing some of the Divisions funds into an interested bearing account. Ruben suggested $5,000.00 be invested.

8.A motion by Joe Bolesina was made to invest $5,000.00 for the financial security of the Division in an interest bearing account. Nelson Montgomery made a second with all in favor.

9.Dick Graham initiated discussion on Article 373-5(c) in the “99 Code. A large amount of discussion commenced and some debate over enforcement and practicality took place. Various situations were discussed and how to apply this particular article. Some concerns about labor costs were mentioned. It was additionally discussed that using a, male adapter in the back of a panel will be a violation. Discussion on existing installations and how this would affect a new service change Discussion took place on what some of the various inspectors would find as acceptable where this article is concerned. It was determined that each area will have to decide what will be acceptable with existing installations and this article will be enforced on new installations . A suggestion was made to take the conduit up through the soffit.
Eugene Swisher noted that the requirements from “A –G” and he asked if the derating of conductors will be enforced. It was noted that the derating of conductors really has not been widely enforced. Inspectors are enforcing the derating of conductors in commercial installations. The inspector will have to look at each case separately and make a call on the installation. No definitive answer was given and future discussion is bound to take place.


10. At 2:52pm, Larry Diaz made a motion to adjourn. Nelson Montgomery made a second with all in favor.