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#4772 - 03/12/08 06:36 PM 680.44 GFCI Protection
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1. What is the definition of a field-assembled spa?
2. Is a field-assembled spa really a self-contained manufactured spa delivered to the site in pieces that requires assembly?
3. Is a field-assembled spa, component pieces motor, blower, heater, etc. (located next to the house)with a spa vessel (in the yard) build by the pool contractor....just like a pool...but its a spa?

I need to know if #3 is the definition of field-assembled and requires GFCI portection per 680.44.
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#4773 - 03/12/08 07:47 PM Re: 680.44 GFCI Protection [Re: Mike Timpanaro]
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I think both #2 and #3 can be considered field-assembled spas.

Thus, gfci protection would be required. Only when the spa, which is built like a pool, is commonly bonded with the pool as identified in Part (C) of the section, would gfci protection be exempt.

On the other hand, adding a heat pump to a pool doens't nake it a spa nor mandates the gfci protection.

I think this needs to be a judgment call based on the specifics of the installation on a case by case basis. I would tend towards the conservative.
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#4774 - 03/12/08 08:24 PM Re: 680.44 GFCI Protection [Re: Bryan Holland]
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I think this is a case where we need a definition in the code as to what field-assembled is.

Here in Sumter County in the Villages we have pool contractors building spa's, and swim spas in the back yard..it's built just like a pool but it is a spa, with component heaters, motors, blowers and a remote vessel. I think that they require GFCI protection for the equipment sometimes needing as many as 4 GFCI breakers, but I am getting alot of friction. That is why the definition of field-assembled is so important.
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#4775 - 03/12/08 08:24 PM Re: 680.44 GFCI Protection [Re: Mike Timpanaro]
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Any other opinions?
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#4776 - 03/12/08 11:18 PM Re: 680.44 GFCI Protection [Re: Mike Timpanaro]
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A good place to start might be the UL marking guide, which does mention "field constructed spas". Maybe that will give us a clue.

http://www.ul.com/regulators/spaguide.pdf


Also - is this thing below grade after it is assembled?


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#4777 - 03/13/08 01:28 AM Re: 680.44 GFCI Protection [Re: Nick Sasso]
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I am looking at the 2002 (I don't have my 5 handy) but the changed the wording such that all spas need GFCI unless they are part of the pool, commonly grounded or they are 3 phase or more than 250v or they have heaters bigger than 50a.

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Except as otherwise provided in this section, the outlet(s) that supplies a self-contained spa or hot tub, a packaged spa or hot tub equipment assembly, or a field-assembled spa or hot tub shall be protected by a ground-fault circuit interrupter.


The "field assembled" thing is moot

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#4778 - 03/13/08 06:12 AM Re: 680.44 GFCI Protection [Re: ]
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I would hate to think that something constructed in the field which resembles a spa would not have GFCI protection, especially if there is a failure with the heater or blower component.
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#4784 - 03/13/08 06:52 AM Re: 680.44 GFCI Protection [Re: Nick Sasso]
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Yes Nick this spa is installed in-ground and is constructed exactly like an in-ground swimming pool.....but it's a spa!!!

I wonder if this falls under what would be defined as field-assembled, and require GFCI protection. Remember that because there are component pieces more than one GFCI is required to protect all the equipment wired to the outside remote panelboard.
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#4785 - 03/13/08 07:23 AM Re: 680.44 GFCI Protection [Re: Mike Timpanaro]
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GREAT....GREAT....job Nick!!! That UL guide is exactly what I needed. The definition of a field-constructed spa is just what they are doing out there and provides me with what I need to apply 680.44 GFCI protection.
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#4786 - 03/13/08 08:53 AM Re: 680.44 GFCI Protection [Re: Mike Timpanaro]
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Now keep in mind that the UL doc I posted is 2004, there may be an updated version. At any rate, I don't think they would change too much of the wording about what they call a "field constructed spa."

I don't think the NEC would actually need to have this definition as it is like saying - what is the definition of a site-built home? It is a home that is built "on site." I think it is pretty self explanatory. The UL information just backs up what we already know to be true.


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#4787 - 03/13/08 12:30 PM Re: 680.44 GFCI Protection [Re: Nick Sasso]
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Would you believe that I have recieved much grief over the definition and what field-assembled means with contractors (pool & electrical) as well as inspectors.
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#4793 - 03/13/08 07:13 PM Re: 680.44 GFCI Protection [Re: Mike Timpanaro]
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Prior to 2002 there was a difference between field built and packaged spas. Now there is really none as far as GFCIs are concerned.

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#4794 - 03/15/08 08:53 AM Re: 680.44 GFCI Protection [Re: ]
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The requirement for GFCI protection for spas was first put into the 1993 code edition with an enforcement date of Jan 1 1994. It was again revised in 1996 but only included self-contained and packaged equipment assembly units. It was 1999 when the section had a major rewrite and CMP-20 also included field-assembled spa's to require GFCI protection since some had the opinion that it wasn't needed because it wasn't included in the old code year writing.
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