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#6248 - 04/20/09 04:06 PM Re: Low voltage [Re: Mike Timpanaro]
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Palm Beach and surrounding counties permit all of those items you mention and I'm not too sure about the last item (sound). They are all subpermits.
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#6249 - 04/20/09 05:01 PM Re: Low voltage [Re: Nick Sasso]
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Like described by Nick, we at the City of North Port require sub-permits for all limited energy work (not exempt by the FCC or FBC) unless it is being performed under the scope of the main electrical contractors permit.

Homeowners having new phone, sound, cable, etc. wiring are not required to obtain a permit. Fire alarm or security alarms do. Any limited energy work performed in a commercial occupancy requires a permit.
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#6250 - 04/20/09 07:30 PM Re: Low voltage [Re: Bryan Holland]
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Originally Posted By: Bryan Holland

Homeowners having new phone, sound, cable, etc. wiring are not required to obtain a permit. Fire alarm or security alarms do. Any limited energy work performed in a commercial occupancy requires a permit.

What is the difference between homeowner and contractor?
Are you saying if a homeowner adds a phone outlet no permit but if a contractor does, a permit is required?

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#6251 - 04/20/09 09:29 PM Re: Low voltage [Re: Ruben Rocha]
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No. Sorry I didn't word that correctly. Limited energy circuits and systems at residential (one- and two-family dwellings) occupancies are exempt from permitting and inspections, except for fire and burgular alarm systems.

For example, if a HO hires a contractor or company to install new data lines, phone lines, cable TV, etc. in their home, we don't require permits.

However, we do aise HO's to only use licensed and insured contractors to perform this type of work.

Any and all systems installed in a commercial occupancy require inspections.



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#6252 - 04/20/09 09:51 PM Re: Low voltage [Re: Bryan Holland]
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Bryan, maybe you still didn't word it correctly?

Homeowners are not required to have separate permits for such because usually that wiring is all installed by the same electrical contractor who is already part of the residential permit. We still inspect "under 50 volts" as it is part of the NEC.

Commercial is another can of worms. You may have one CCTV contractor, one data contractor, one fire alarm contractor, etc., etc., etc.


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#6253 - 04/20/09 10:56 PM Re: Low voltage [Re: Nick Sasso]
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I agree with Nick. The old exemption for permitting and inspections for systems under 50 volts is out of the code since SBCCI.

In Sumter County all residential limited energy system permits fall under the main permit, since the electrician does the work. Additinal permits are not required.

Just like Nick said with commercial that is another ball game.
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#6254 - 04/21/09 09:04 AM Re: Low voltage [Re: Mike Timpanaro]
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Yeah, I think we are all saying the same thing. Sorry for the confusion...



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#6255 - 04/21/09 10:53 AM Re: Low voltage [Re: Mike Timpanaro]
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We have been permitting and inspecting Low Voltage for at least 2 years here in Plant City, I understand that the City of Tampa is also starting to permit and inspect LV

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#6257 - 04/21/09 05:21 PM Re: Low voltage [Re: psnorthrup]
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The problem is getting permits and inspections on homes already CO'd, especially from the 'national' installers like the big telecom and cable companies.

Some of the worst installations I have seen are the DISH SYSTEMS (DIRECT TV, DISH NETWORK). Namely the grounding practices and methods.

Not much we can do about these either...
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