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#6363 - 06/12/09 11:47 AM 2008 NEC
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Soooooooooo! smile I heard we DEFINITELY have a new code on July 1? Only 1 exclusion for GFCI prot. of a pool pump motor........anyone know where to find the facts?
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#6364 - 06/12/09 01:33 PM Re: 2008 NEC [Re: Rob Barbee]
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There is no exclusion. All of the manufacturers I've looked at require it.

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#6366 - 06/12/09 01:55 PM Re: 2008 NEC [Re: John Desjardins]
gfretwell
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... So we are letting the manufacturer's lawyers write our electrical code? Interesting.

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#6367 - 06/12/09 03:22 PM Re: 2008 NEC [Re: ]
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As far as I'm concerned John hit the nail on the head.
That's my story and I'm stickin' to it.
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#6368 - 06/12/09 03:53 PM Re: 2008 NEC [Re: Nick Sasso]
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I am getting information from some people who were there. They say that the vote took place and they needed either a 72% or a 75% vote (not sure which) in order to adopt that new rule. Well the vote was like 16 in favor, 7 not in favor or something like that. I was told that it was a heated argument for both sides.

We need to know who these people are that are screwing around with the NEC. We need to name names. Let the world know who they are. Does anyone have the names of the 16 members that voted that GFCI protection is NOT required for residential pool pumps? Can anyone research that and post it here?

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#6369 - 06/12/09 04:19 PM Re: 2008 NEC [Re: Nick Sasso]
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Pump must be permanently connected to circuit. See Figures 4A, 4B, and 4C
for wiring connection diagrams. Match wire and circuit breaker sizes to correct
Fusing and Wiring Data Chart (Page 8). If other lights or appliances are
also on the same circuit, be sure to add their amp loads to pump amp load. (If
unsure how to do this or if this is confusing, consult a licensed electrician.)
Use the load circuit breaker as the master on-off switch.
Install a Ground Fault Circuit Interrupter (GFCI) in circuit; it will sense a shortcircuit
to ground and disconnect power before it becomes dangerous to pool
users. For size of GFCI required and test procedures for GFCI, see manufacturer’s
instructions.
In case of power outage, check GFCI for tripping (which will prevent normal
water circulation). Reset if necessary.

This is copied right out of the Starite pump manual and they are probably 80 per cent fo the ones used in our area.
So I guess 110.3 (B) will be used quite a bit in enforcement of this one.
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#6370 - 06/12/09 04:27 PM Re: 2008 NEC [Re: Paul J Cameron]
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Nick, I presume Neil Burdick or Gene Swisher were there, I think Neil is on this site, maybe he will pipe in
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#6371 - 06/12/09 06:14 PM Re: 2008 NEC [Re: Paul J Cameron]
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Paul lives!?
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#6372 - 06/12/09 08:55 PM Re: 2008 NEC [Re: Rob Barbee]
gfretwell
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What do we do when a sump pump or freezer manufacturer says NOT to connect their pump to a GFCI?

I still don't like the idea of letting manufacturers write our codes.

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#6373 - 06/13/09 09:27 AM Re: 2008 NEC [Re: ]
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You need to remember that the Electrical Code in Florida is not the NEC it's the Florida Building Code. The NEC is the standard that the FBC uses for Electrical installations. The International Code is very big on Manufacturers Installation Instructions thus so is the FBC.
You won't see them saying don't do something that would be contrary to established safety guidelines. Their engineers and UL are a lot smarter then that. If they weren't they'd be on the Florida Building Comm.

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