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#6612 - 09/21/09 03:10 PM Maximum number of disconnects
gfretwell
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2008 eliminated "lighting and appliance" panelboard classification so the "2 disconnect" rule is gone with it. Does that mean you can install a 6 breaker sub panel in a detached building that complies with 225.33 (assuming the load side breaker in the main panel adequately protects the remote panel per 408.36)

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#6613 - 09/21/09 03:31 PM Re: Maximum number of disconnects [Re: ]
John Belew Offline
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If 6 breakers were all that could be installed in that panel then 225.33 would allow it.
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#6615 - 09/21/09 07:45 PM Re: Maximum number of disconnects [Re: John Belew]
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I guess I need to break down and buy a 2008 NFPA 70.
I can't keep up with this type of stuff. grin

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#6616 - 09/21/09 08:14 PM Re: Maximum number of disconnects [Re: Ruben Rocha]
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Yes.

The size and spaces of the panelboard has nothing to do with using the 6 handle rule.

408.36 exception would not apply to your installation.
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#6619 - 09/22/09 09:31 AM Re: Maximum number of disconnects [Re: Mike Timpanaro]
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You still need to take into consideration the markings and label on the panelboard itself. Until the panelboard labels are updated to include the new allowances in the 2008 NEC, the old rules will still apply.

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#6627 - 09/26/09 03:33 PM Re: Maximum number of disconnects [Re: Bryan Holland]
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I agree with Bryan, I have asked several manufactures to provide me a listing for the new larger panels and none have been able to show a properly listed panel.

Neal Burdick
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#6628 - 09/26/09 08:21 PM Re: Maximum number of disconnects [Re: COTInspector]
gfretwell
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Sounds like a good question for Jim Pauley the next time someone sees him.

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#6630 - 09/28/09 02:11 PM Re: Maximum number of disconnects [Re: ]
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What a great question! I like this revision. Who doesn't remember the hazards associated with overloaded 'split-bus panels'?? Remember the ITE 'Bulldog' panelboards with 2 mains?? Detached bldgs. under 225.33 and 225.36 allows the 'six disc.' rule for S.U.S.E. pnlbds. and has allowed this for some time. OCP is permitted to be at the main building per 408.36 Exception No. 1. Please recall that these rules coincide with the original 'tap rules' back in 240.21...

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#6631 - 09/28/09 06:04 PM Re: Maximum number of disconnects [Re: Ron Wampler]
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Okay I will bite!!
What is S.U.S.E?

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#6632 - 09/28/09 06:18 PM Re: Maximum number of disconnects [Re: Ruben Rocha]
Ron Wampler Offline
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Old school...S.U.S.E....Suitable for Use as Service Equipment...A requirement that was inadvertantly dropped from Article 230 back in maybe '87 and then revised back in...Any UL listed piece of equipment even Transfer Switches and Contol Cabinets that are used as service equipment must bear this term on their label. Excuse me...'listing agencies'. Even primary service switchgear.

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