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#6785 - 01/08/10 07:40 PM Re: CHINESE DRYWALL [Re: Nick Sasso]
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If you are just replacing receptacles (and switches) would they have to be TR? <and the devil asks> Just replacing one receptacle?
406.11 seems to be silent on replacements.

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#6786 - 01/10/10 11:16 AM Re: CHINESE DRYWALL [Re: ]
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Yes, becuase under the 2008 NEC you cannot install a receptacle outlet that isn't TR. Even just one NEW receptacle has to be TR.
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#6825 - 01/25/10 03:31 AM Re: CHINESE DRYWALL [Re: Bryan Holland]
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I just got some devices fresh from a 2-3 year old Chinese drywall house.
I opened them up and this is what I found

http://gfretwell.com/ftp/Chinese%20Drywall/devices.html

Bottom line, wire under insulation looks OK, Decora snap switches look OK, receptacles ... not so much. It still doesn't look like a dangerous situation but it would probably make a cheap receptacle even less reliable.

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#6827 - 01/25/10 04:20 PM Re: CHINESE DRYWALL [Re: ]
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Great Pics.

Related to this subject, see Senate Bill 498 and 500 under the 2010 legislation...

http://www.flsenate.gov/session/index.cf...amp;billnum=498

http://www.flsenate.gov/session/index.cf...amp;billnum=500

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#6828 - 01/25/10 09:56 PM Re: CHINESE DRYWALL [Re: Nick Sasso]
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What you will find is that the Bo no longer is the decider on when you upgrade to a new code or how much. All of this is in the Florida Existing Building Code. You need to read it even though it is quirky since it is a new code.

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#6829 - 01/25/10 10:26 PM Re: CHINESE DRYWALL [Re: SOwings]
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Incorrect on both. The Florida Existing Building Code was always in the code, just as its own chapter. Dig back several codes ago and you will see what I am saying. When people realized that more books = more money, it became its own "book." Personally I would like to see it go back to a chapter of FBC.


Edited by Nick Sasso (01/25/10 10:27 PM)
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#6830 - 01/25/10 10:49 PM Re: CHINESE DRYWALL [Re: Bryan Holland]
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I think the first bill makes sense (standards for drywall) but having a special license for drywall mitigation is just a
boondoggle.
The solution is really fairly simple, even if it is drastic. You have to strip the walls back to the block, (scrap the drywall, insulation, carpets etc) seal the block and build it back, pretty much starting over at the FEPAC.
I have a friend who has done several and this is what works.
That is well within the skill set of your regular GC.
I am skeptical of these chemical; solutions and I bet the problem comes back.


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#6831 - 01/25/10 11:21 PM Re: CHINESE DRYWALL [Re: ]
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I agree. Currently the CILB allows any individual to perform this type of remediation. Certainly a Florida residential contractor or CGC should qualify without hesitation, in my opinion.


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#6832 - 01/26/10 09:09 AM Re: CHINESE DRYWALL [Re: Nick Sasso]
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I think this is all a bit of an over-reaction to the whole drywall issue. While I completely agree the matter is quite serious, it appears the construction / health industries are doing a pretty good job getting the matter under control. I agree with Nick that a licensed contractor should already be well qualified to handle this matter. Additional regulation will not assist at this point in the game.

Some things are self-correcting and don't need the hands of the government in the mix...
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#6833 - 01/26/10 01:04 PM Re: CHINESE DRYWALL [Re: Bryan Holland]
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The only place where government may have a role is in sorting out the miracle cures. The problem is, it will probably take a year or more to be sure if a chemical fogging actually created a long term fix. You can spray air freshener in a trash can and make it smell good for a little while but until you actually empty the trash, the smell will come back.

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