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#6796 - 01/14/10 11:38 AM FS 489.503 (14)
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14)(a) The installation of, repair of, alteration of, addition to, or design of electrical wiring, fixtures, appliances, thermostats, apparatus, raceways, and conduit, or any part thereof, when those items are for the purpose of transmitting data, voice communications, or commands as part of a cable television, community antenna television, or radio distribution system. The scope of this exemption is limited to electrical circuits and equipment governed by the applicable provisions of Articles 725 (Classes 2 and 3 circuits only), 770, 800, 810, and 820 of the National Electrical Code, current edition, or 47 C.F.R. part 68.

(b) The installation of, repair of, alteration of, addition to, or design of electrical wiring, fixtures, appliances, thermostats, apparatus, raceways, and conduit, or any part thereof, when those items are for the purpose of transmitting data, voice communications, or commands as part of a system of telecommunications, including computers, telephone customer premises equipment, or premises wiring. The scope of this exemption is limited to electrical circuits and equipment governed by the applicable provisions of Articles 725 (Classes 2 and 3 circuits only), 770, 800, 810, and 820 of the National Electrical Code, current edition, or 47 C.F.R. part 68. A company certified under chapter 364 is not subject to any local ordinance that requires a permit for work performed by its employees related to low voltage electrical work, including related technical codes and regulations. The exemption in this paragraph shall apply only if such work is requested by the company's customer, is required in order to complete phone service, is incidental to provision of telecommunication service as required by chapter 364, and is not the subject of a competitive bid. The definition of "employee" established in subsection (1) applies to this exemption and does not include subcontractors.


Who does this exempt from doing low voltage work as far as permitting and licensing??
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#6797 - 01/14/10 11:51 AM Re: FS 489.503 (14) [Re: Paul J Cameron]
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Paul - the first paragraph says utility "telecommunication" companies can do electrical work incidental to their installations.

To answer your question.........this only exempts a "utility" company IMHO. Maybe "transmitting" is the key word?
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#6798 - 01/14/10 01:00 PM Re: FS 489.503 (14) [Re: Rob Barbee]
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I agree...it is only the utility company that is exempt from permitting and inspections.
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#6799 - 01/14/10 01:08 PM Re: FS 489.503 (14) [Re: Mike Timpanaro]
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Unless I am missing something the first paragraph is a general one listing the exempted work and the second paragraph exempts companies listed in FS 364.
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#6800 - 01/14/10 01:36 PM Re: FS 489.503 (14) [Re: Paul J Cameron]
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I think the troubling phrase is "The definition of "employee" established in subsection (1) applies to this exemption and does not include subcontractors.".

Aren't a significant number of the guys you see installing phone equipment actually sub-contractors? I know the guy they sent out to install my my DSL was. Comcast has a lot of "contractors" working for them, even when they are driving a Comcast truck. IBM was doing the same thing. They downsized people, then hired them back on a 1099.

Does the BO need to ask for W-2?

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#6801 - 01/14/10 02:19 PM Re: FS 489.503 (14) [Re: ]
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You will find the correct understanding in the FAC from ECLB.
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#6802 - 01/14/10 02:23 PM Re: FS 489.503 (14) [Re: Mike Timpanaro]
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I think that once you are required to have a licensed electrical contractor per FAC (Florida Administrative Code)...than you need permitting and inspections.
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#6804 - 01/14/10 03:49 PM Re: FS 489.503 (14) [Re: Mike Timpanaro]
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It exempts, like........"THE CABLE GUY"



You have to be careful for all the conditions one these laws. On (b) listed,
The exemption in this paragraph shall apply only if:

1) such work is requested by the company's customer,
2) is required in order to complete phone service,
3) is incidental to provision of telecommunication service as required by chapter 364, and
4) is not the subject of a competitive bid.
5) The definition of "employee" established in subsection (1) applies to this exemption and does not include subcontractors.

If you have a licensed contractor arguing that they don't need a permit because they work for the cable company (or similar argument) they do need a permit.

If they do work for the cable or phone company they will have company issued ID that shows them to be an employee. Badges that say "CONTRACTOR" or "VENDOR" for such are considered to be subcontractors.





Edited by Nick Sasso (01/14/10 03:55 PM)
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#6805 - 01/14/10 04:00 PM Re: FS 489.503 (14) [Re: Nick Sasso]
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Nick, And what's the purpose of paragraph 14 (A)
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#6806 - 01/14/10 04:01 PM Re: FS 489.503 (14) [Re: Nick Sasso]
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Is that Jim Carrey??
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