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#7401 - 06/14/10 12:30 PM Florida Statute 489.503 (14) (a)
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Does this paragraph not exempt permitting or licensure requirements for low voltage work?? I see in paragraph B contractors that are licensed under chapter 364 which are the big boy utilities like verizon, brighthouse etc. but para a throws me off.
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#7402 - 06/14/10 03:21 PM Re: Florida Statute 489.503 (14) (a) [Re: Paul J Cameron]
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... when those items are for the purpose of transmitting data, voice communications, or commands as part of a cable television, community antenna television, or radio distribution system ...

This does make it sound like any 725(c2&c3),770, 800, 810, and 820 work done by anyone that connects to a telephone line, satellite or Cable TV network system is exempt from permitting.
I think they added (a) because (b) says "The definition of "employee" established in subsection (1) applies to this exemption and does not include subcontractors." and most of the work is done by subcontractors.

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#7403 - 06/14/10 05:35 PM Re: Florida Statute 489.503 (14) (a) [Re: gfretwell]
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Did not read the section.
But my thinking is you need to first look at who is doing the work regardless if it is a subcontractor. And who is the mandating authority for the work performed.

Such as say progress energy. For example.
They are governed by the PSC.
In the PSC rules governing investor owned utilities it says they abide by the NESC not the NEC.
And it states what they can and can't do for the most part.
So when the big boys cross the boundaries which they all do today.

It starts to get a little convoluted on what code applies.

Some ahj's say it is a utility thing so don't bother.
And others say hey they are exceeding their scope of work.

Remember when meter cans became owner equipment instead of utility owned equipment.

So I think the same mentality applies with this issue.
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#7404 - 06/14/10 05:47 PM Re: Florida Statute 489.503 (14) (a) [Re: Ruben Rocha]
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The way I see itFS 489.503(14)(a-b) does not require a license for installation of cable or phone systems.


Edited by Paul J Cameron (06/14/10 05:50 PM)
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#7405 - 06/14/10 09:42 PM Re: Florida Statute 489.503 (14) (a) [Re: Paul J Cameron]
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Hey yooooooos guys, don't be mixin' apples with these here oranges...

Remeber, that statute is for contracting. It would most certainly require a permit. It may not require a license but it would require a permit.

Also AHJ's that have "home rule" such as Broward and Miami-Dade have enacted local ordinances to require such people to get licensed.

Please check with your AHJ attorney and post back and let me know if I am correct!

Looks like I'm back in the CATV and telephone installation business....



Edited by Nick Sasso (06/14/10 09:44 PM)
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#7406 - 06/14/10 10:36 PM Re: Florida Statute 489.503 (14) (a) [Re: Nick Sasso]
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In addition, these few people who may be exempt from the contractor license would not be exempt from an occupational license, to the best of my knowledge. One way or another...
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#7407 - 06/15/10 11:21 AM Re: Florida Statute 489.503 (14) (a) [Re: Nick Sasso]
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#7409 - 06/15/10 04:11 PM Re: Florida Statute 489.503 (14) (a) [Re: Nick Sasso]
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Originally Posted By: Nick Sasso
In addition, these few people who may be exempt from the contractor license would not be exempt from an occupational license, to the best of my knowledge. One way or another...

Well ,Does anybody know who's hand that is?
Click to reveal..
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#7410 - 06/16/10 11:37 AM Re: Florida Statute 489.503 (14) (a) [Re: Ruben Rocha]
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It looks like my plumber's...

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#7424 - 06/25/10 11:54 AM Re: Florida Statute 489.503 (14) (a) [Re: ronwampler]
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Gentlemen,
Please examine the statute closely. 489.503(14)(a) (according to my reading) applies to "cable television, community antenna television, or radio distribution system{S}" ONLY. tHERE IS NO MENTION OF Sattelite, home theater, or coax for outside antenna. One man asked me the difference- I could oly reply "They went to all those meetings in Tallahassee!"

489(14(b) Refers to the work done by the regulated telephone company. Most of that work is outside, but occasionaly they have to set a "box" or interface in the closet just inside the building. As mentioned, if the TELEPHONE COMPANY EMPLOYEE does that, it is exempt. Anyone else doing it must be licensed and permitted.

We have had several buildings with one contractor for the PA system, one contractor for the phone system, one contractor for the computer abeling, one contractor for the fire alarm system, one contractor for the security alarm system and access control, and one contractor for the "white noise" generator and speakers to make the building seem more private. They all have to be licensed and they all need permits and inspections. Sometimes they are suprised.

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