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#8290 - 08/03/11 03:28 PM Service Conductors in Parallel
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I am inspecting a new service that consist of 600amp meter can with service conductors in parallel, that leads into a gutter and taps out to 4 main disconnects. The contractor bonded the metal gutter using only 1 of the grounded conductors in parallel (continous). So instead of coming out of the polaris tap that contains the grounded conductor in parallel and bonding the gutter, he landed it as mentioned above, would it be required that he land both the neutrals to the gutter since he used this method. I am thinking about 310.4B "be terminated in the same manner".

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#8291 - 08/03/11 05:46 PM Re: Service Conductors in Parallel [Re: Nova]
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From your description I picture that the contractor skinned part of one of the grounding conductors and fed it through a lug (wire uncut) that was attached to the inside of the trough. I like your thinking, and I think I understand what you are asking. After looking through Articles 200, 230, and 250, I can find no code to accomplish what you seek.

Looking at 310 like you say, specific to parallel conductors, I am leaning toward agreeing with you. I think the intent of the code is that all parallel conductors be treated in exactly the same manner. That being said, bonding only one of them to the gutter (trough) may have some sort of weird effect given a fault condition -- although I don't know what. I also believe we are not all-knowing and there is no way we could know that.

So yes, you can use that code to have the contractor treat all the parallel service conductors in exactly the same manner. I don't necessarily believe that the conductor is being "terminated" at the trough, but it is being bonded to the trough, and thus grounding the trough itself. So the contractor should treat all of the parallel conductors in the same manner. Or -- run a single tail from the polaris tap and be done with it.

Good question. It is not everyday that someone makes me think. Anyone else agree or disagree? Please chime in.





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#8292 - 08/04/11 07:37 AM Re: Service Conductors in Parallel [Re: Nova]
psnorthrup Offline
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Nick; I have to agree with you, both parallel conductors should be treated exactly the same

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#8293 - 08/04/11 01:07 PM Re: Service Conductors in Parallel [Re: psnorthrup]
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Agree
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#8294 - 08/05/11 10:10 AM Re: Service Conductors in Parallel [Re: Nova]
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Maybe... Assuming the grounded conductor is superior in size to the minimum from table 250.66 for bonding, wouldn't a single bonding jumper be permitted? Assuming the parallelled grounded conductors are joined together within the meter base and in the trough I would think that any fault current would be safely transferred to the grounded conductors especially if the parallelled sets are within one raceway.
This is a lot of assumung and not a substitute for actually seeing the installation and making a judgement decision.

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#8295 - 08/05/11 12:10 PM Re: Service Conductors in Parallel [Re: Nova]
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#8297 - 08/08/11 08:52 AM Re: Service Conductors in Parallel [Re: Nova]
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I too agree with Ron. 250.92(b)(1) would permit the raceway or gutter to be bonded to the service neutral conductor, as long as it is sized per table 250.66 as Ron noted.
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#8301 - 08/09/11 09:14 AM Re: Service Conductors in Parallel [Re: Nova]
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The problem here is not that the bonding jumper is of the right size, which it should be,using one conductor of the parallel Run, but is the termination of the parallel conductors on the polaris tap and to that point I would have to agree with Nick and Nova. Even though one conductor is terminated at the trough, it has bee extended in length also violating 310.4 (B)(1) and (5).I also agree with Ron in that it would not create any ground or fault current problems.
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#8302 - 08/09/11 02:58 PM Re: Service Conductors in Parallel [Re: Nova]
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I don't understand how it is extended in length so it violates that code section?
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#8303 - 08/09/11 03:23 PM Re: Service Conductors in Parallel [Re: Nova]
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By extending one conductor of the parallel set through the polaris to the ground lug makes it longer, does it not or are you considering it completed at the polaris as all other neutrals will tap off of there the length doesnt really matter. Either way its no big deal, I would have jumped off the polaris with the correct size bonding jumper but I guess he ran out of space. In some way or other this application seems to be in violatioin of 310.4 does it not??
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