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#8350 - 09/08/11 07:54 AM AFCI Protection for Outets in Room Addition
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Consider a new room addition (family room), but electrical contractor is stating that he cannot get a new home run to that area for the receptacles. So they are planning to tap off of an existing receptacle circuit. In this case, are the new receptacles required to be AFCI protected?

If yes, please cite the applicable code(s).
If no, please state why not.

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Edited by Nick Sasso (09/08/11 07:55 AM)
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#8351 - 09/08/11 09:27 AM Re: AFCI Protection for Outets in Room Addition [Re: Nick Sasso]
Paul J Cameron Offline
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Is this a trick question?? Article 210.12 would require the new outlets to be AFCI protected. They would have the added benefit of the original circuit becoming AFCI Protected also.
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There is no prohibition against using AFCI protection on other circuits or locations other than those now specified in 210.12(B).
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#8352 - 09/08/11 03:19 PM Re: AFCI Protection for Outets in Room Addition [Re: Paul J Cameron]
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No, no trick question.

A fellow electrical inspector whom I respect has taken the position that according to the 2008 NEC, if the branch circuit being utilized is existing, then the new receptacles do not need to be AFCI protected.

I disagree, so I'm just gathering opinions at this point. Maybe I'm wrong.



Edited by Nick Sasso (09/08/11 03:20 PM)
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#8353 - 09/08/11 03:45 PM Re: AFCI Protection for Outets in Room Addition [Re: Nick Sasso]
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I don't see it in the NEC, unless he is talking about the FBC existing code. But I agree if they are new receptacles they need the protection.


Edited by Paul J Cameron (09/08/11 03:50 PM)
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#8354 - 09/08/11 04:00 PM Re: AFCI Protection for Outets in Room Addition [Re: Nick Sasso]
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I agree with Paul.

All the work in the addition will have to meet the code for new construction per the FBC - EB:

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1001.1 Scope. An addition to a building or structure shall comply with the Florida Building Code as adopted for new construction without requiring the existing building or structure to comply with any requirements of those codes or of these provisions, except as required by this chapter. Where an addition impacts the existing building or structure, that portion shall comply with this code.


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1001.2 Creation or extension of nonconformity. An addition shall not create or extend any nonconformity in the existing building to which the addition is being made with regard to accessibility, structural strength, fire safety, means of egress, or the capacity of mechanical, plumbing, or electrical systems.


I do not see anything in the code that would prohibit an existing branch-circuit to be utilized or extended to a new work area, however that branch-circuit would then need to be put into compliance. In this case, AFCI protection would have to be added.

Otherwise, a new AFCI protected circuit would be required per 210.12 NEC.
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#8355 - 09/09/11 07:42 AM Re: AFCI Protection for Outets in Room Addition [Re: Nick Sasso]
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I Agree, the new addition would have to comply with 210.12, even with the extension of an existing circuit. That existing circuit would have to be AFCI protetected, The 2011 Cycle address that

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#8356 - 09/09/11 09:17 AM Re: AFCI Protection for Outets in Room Addition [Re: Bryan Holland]
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Agree, AFCI would be required.
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