Good afternoon ladies and gentlemen.

Forgive if I am breaking any forum protocol by posting a question. I am not an inspector. I twist wire nuts for a living, so I guess I am an inspectee. I generally post at Mike Holt, I just read here.

I am posting here because my question is related to Florida NEC interpretation specifically.

Are the wall and counter top receptacles in a dining room considered a SABC?

I am referring to 210.52(B)(1). I say they are.

(B) Small Appliances.
(1) Receptacle Outlets Served. In the kitchen, pantry,
breakfast room, dining room, or similar area of a dwelling
unit, the two or more 20-ampere small-appliance branch
circuits required by 210.11(C)(1) shall serve all wall and
floor receptacle outlets covered by 210.52(A), all countertop
outlets covered by 210.52(C), and receptacle outlets for
refrigeration equipment.

I am in a dispute with a gentlemen from FL on another forum who is a HI and he says they are/can be considered general purpose.

This the thread if your are bored. I am Derek Guridi.
http://www.inspectionnews.net/home_inspe...en-circuit.html

You are only breaking protocol by naming him. Perhaps go into your post...and edit out the name so we can respond.

Understood,sorry,done.

Just to add, I am not a HI.

This is me at MH.

http://forums.mikeholt.com/member.php?u=105016

The code REQUIRES two small appliance circuits. You can have more. It also states that the receptacles in the kitchen, dining, breakfast nook be on these circuits and the circuits must be 20 amp.The reason they exception the clock plug is that it is not one of the required outlets per 210.52(A). They also allow you to run a dedicated 15 amp circuit to the refrigerator.
Arc fault is required in the dining room & nook outlets and ground fault for the counter top receptacles. While they will not interfere with one another (so I am led to believe), most of the electrical contractors in my jurisdiction run a separate dining/nook circuit to avoid problems/issues.
You can run 20 amp circuits anywhere you like for general branch circuits but they are not SABC's if they are not confined to the kitchen/dining/nook.

Wow...I just skimmed the entire thread in that other forum, so I'm really hesitant to respond. But you were good enough to take out the name (no pickin' on anyone here) so I am going to add my 2 cents. But I'm not getting in the middle -- so this may be my last comment: I would say that the dining room IS what you refer to as a "SABC" (small appliance branch circuit); I would not call it general purpose. But there's more...

All parties seem to agree on the fact that it is 20 amp, you all cite the same code, agree that it can be on with the kitchen counter, etc., etc., so I don't see the issue other than how someone may refer to it. You would all agree on the appropriate code as how to wire that particular room. So is there really a dispute here? If I plug in a vaccuum, does the vaccuum automatically become a small appliance? If I plug in my computer, does the computer become a small appliance? Or am I using a small appliance circuit as a general use circuit? See my point? We could go on and on and on.

Technically speaking, I do believe it to be a small appliance circuit. If I had to produce technical writing (a report or something similar in nature) then that is what I would call it.

Okay, I have looked at the post and I have lost track of what the real issue is???
I don't recall anything that prohibits me from adding a gfci to say a general purpose outlet nor any of the required circuits. Such as a small appliance circuit.
In my opinion you would just be exceeding the minimum requirements.
In fact I could, say add a gfci to the laundry circuit. Or a living room outlet.

I understand 20 amp circuits.

Are the wall and counter top receptacles in a dining on a SABC?

The circuit in question is confined to the dining room.
I know that this circuit can go to the other specified areas in 210.52(B) and no others.

This is what I am saying. What a person plugs into a SABC, does not define the circuit.

PS. Yeah it a zoo over there.

I understand your point, but it has nothing to do with my question.

Okay, let me try this.

I install a 20 amp circuit for the required wall and counter top receptacles in a dining room and I extend the circuit to the living room.

One of you all red tag me for non compliance.

What is your code reference?

Is there a poll option on this forum?