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#8541 - 10/29/11 11:16 AM PV SYSTEM - Question on Disconnecting Means
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If you have a PV system and it is a line-side tap (which is permitted) must the disconnect for the PV system be grouped with the service disconnect for the dwelling?
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#8542 - 10/31/11 07:41 AM Re: PV SYSTEM - Question on Disconnecting Means [Re: Nick Sasso]
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No. The PV system disconnecting means must be grouped per 690.14(C)(5), but are not required to be grouped with the service disconnecting means or any other source of power.

However, Section 702.8(A) &/or 705.10 require signage or a directory to placed at the service & at the PV system disconencts denoting the other source of power. This same requirement can be found in Section 230.2(E).
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#8543 - 10/31/11 08:06 AM Re: PV SYSTEM - Question on Disconnecting Means [Re: Bryan Holland]
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Thanks. That is what I thought but I wanted to be sure. Appreciate the assistance.

I have some follow-up questions on solar panels with the micro-inverters built in,, but first I am noticing that I do not get automatically generated emails when someone replies. When the forum changed to a single forum - do we need to reset something? I also see that when I log in it says "this page not available" or something like that...just wondering..
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#8546 - 10/31/11 01:49 PM Re: PV SYSTEM - Question on Disconnecting Means [Re: Nick Sasso]
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I have yet to see one of these installed. It would be nice if somebody would take some snapshots with some notes for concerns.

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#8547 - 10/31/11 02:58 PM Re: PV SYSTEM - Question on Disconnecting Means [Re: Nick Sasso]
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I got the auto-email that time.

Ruben, the problem that I have is that there are many different ways to install a PV system. There are also some systems with solar panels that have micro-inverters built in, while others are done the "old-fashioned" way with the separate inverter. It is a bit much (at least for me) to show up on a job and in minutes of my being there, be able to fully understand the installation. I will be asking for one-line diagrams at plan review for all solar installations. There are just too many different ways to do it.






Edited by Nick Sasso (10/31/11 02:58 PM)
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#8548 - 10/31/11 03:57 PM Re: PV SYSTEM - Question on Disconnecting Means [Re: Nick Sasso]
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For PV System Permit Applications, we request the following submittals:

1. One-line riser & circuit diagram of all electrical wiring & equipment associated with the PB system.

2. FSEC certifcation letter or documentation.

3. PV Module, Inverter, & other associated equipment installation instructions / specification sheets.

4. NRTL listing documentation.

5. Structural anchoring / tie-down information. (Must be engineered)
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#8549 - 11/01/11 09:30 AM Re: PV SYSTEM - Question on Disconnecting Means [Re: Nick Sasso]
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We do basically the same. The Utility requires a disconnect at the service equipment and supplies an ID label. I am also concerned about off-grid systems and supplying signs and a disconnect for 'responders'.

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#8552 - 11/02/11 02:45 PM Re: PV SYSTEM - Question on Disconnecting Means [Re: Nick Sasso]
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FPL does not require a dedicated utility disconnecting means for Tier 1 systems (10kW & less) Tier 2 (>10kW - 100kW) & Tier 3 (>100kW) systems require the disconnecting means.


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All PV systems installed under this program must be interconnected with FPL and must comply with interconnection requirements for net metering. If your PV system is a Tier 2 (>10kW – 100kW) or Tier 3 (>100kW – 2MW), you must email a one-line diagram showing the manual visual load break disconnect switch to netmetering@fpl.com. FPL will review the appropriateness of this switch; notify you of approval or deficiencies; and if approved, send you an invoice for the net metering interconnection application fee. For more information on this requirement, please visit www.FPL.com/netmetering and refer to the Tier 2 and 3 agreements.
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#8553 - 11/03/11 04:49 PM Re: PV SYSTEM - Question on Disconnecting Means [Re: Nick Sasso]
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Originally Posted By: Nick Sasso
I got the auto-email that time.

Ruben, the problem that I have is that there are many different ways to install a PV system. There are also some systems with solar panels that have micro-inverters built in, while others are done the "old-fashioned" way with the separate inverter. It is a bit much (at least for me) to show up on a job and in minutes of my being there, be able to fully understand the installation. I will be asking for one-line diagrams at plan review for all solar installations. There are just too many different ways to do it.


Nick,
I would suspect your notification issue is with your internet security or your email path.
But anyway you really should post issues like this in the help forum. So we don't dilute the current topic at hand.
BTW, Check your private message.

And back to on topic.
I understand that there are lots of methods to install a PV system.
That is why I stated that it would be nice (Since I have never seen one) that somebody provided some more info.
Submittals are cute for plan review but does little good for the poor field inspector that is inspecting the installation.
Maybe 20 years down the road when possibly they are more common it would not be that difficult to determine if they comply with the code.

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#8554 - 11/03/11 08:50 PM Re: PV SYSTEM - Question on Disconnecting Means [Re: Nick Sasso]
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Bryan's method seems to be the best, and should be incorporated into the Florida Administrative Code (for Engineers), when a Florida P.E. signs and seals a PV system all of those items should be included in the sealed plans (this should be a requirement if not already listed in the F.A.C.).

don't bite my head off - i did not have time to check,....
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