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#8608 - 12/04/11 06:36 PM How many inspections is too many?
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I'm not really looking for opinions on this subject as I think we will for the most part, all agree. I'm looking specifically for any publications (articles) on the subject. I seem to remember IAEI mag had a few over the past decade, but I can't seem to revive any.

Thanks.
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#8620 - 12/13/11 12:30 PM Re: How many inspections is too many? [Re: Nick Sasso]
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Loc: Collier County, Fla
This sounds so familiar, and I have been looking to no avail either; even google only found this post. I am still looking, and determined to find it
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#8623 - 12/14/11 07:59 PM Re: How many inspections is too many? [Re: Nick Sasso]
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I have heard that NJ had a limit. I'll check with my Father. Anyhow for me...today I did 25. I guess it depends on what type, and how far you have to drive.
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#8624 - 12/15/11 06:43 AM Re: How many inspections is too many? [Re: Mike Timpanaro]
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I believe anything over 15 is too many. We let contractors know that they may not get their inspection on the day requested, especially electrical where the finals are time consuming. We do roughs, undergrounds and service inspections first and finals with any time left over.
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#8631 - 12/19/11 10:36 PM Re: How many inspections is too many? [Re: Nick Sasso]
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Let me try another angle...

The Insurance Services Office, Inc., (ISO) is an independent statistical, rating and advisory organization that serves the property/casualty insurance industries. Their evaluations grade building departments effectiveness as to building construction regulation. With an evaluation period every five years, a jurisdiction has the opportunity to continually improve its score. The score is based on a range from one to ten, with one being exemplary. The lower the rating range, the lower the insurance costs for residents and business owners with participating insurance companies.

A very small part of the rating is based on how many inspections an inspector "should" do on any given day. Do you, as a building department employee even know what your ISO rating is? Has the administration made the last report available to you? Inquiring minds want to know - see what is suggested in the last report (remember, it is 1 report every 5 years). If you find out any information, please post it here for everyone to see, along with the population for your particular jurisdiction!

It's not much, but it is something to consider.

Thanks!
Nick
YOUR Building Official.



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#8633 - 12/20/11 12:14 PM Re: How many inspections is too many? [Re: Nick Sasso]
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The City of Marathon varies from 10K to 30K population by the season. We were evaluated by ISO on 2/26/2010. We retained our rating of 4 for both residential and commercial as our City Manager was notified by letter on April 4th, 2010.
The BCEGS benchmark for staffing levels is 10 inspections per day per full-time inspector; 1 commercial plan review per day for a full-time plans examiner; and 2 residential plan reviews per day for a full-time plans examiner...Good luck with that.
As we all know there are several variables in the real world. Driving time; office duties; multi-tasking (licenses), etc. not to mention the budget. I will say that it is a privilege to work in this career.

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#8635 - 12/20/11 01:15 PM Re: How many inspections is too many? [Re: Nick Sasso]
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Good info. Any other jurisdictions? Anyone...anyone?
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#8651 - 12/30/11 01:46 PM Re: How many inspections is too many? [Re: Nick Sasso]
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Your "other angle" has clarified your intent for information.
I was unaware of an ISO rating and have been searching for the information for Collier County to no avail at present and is an ongoing venture.
As far as how many inspections are to many in this regard, it has been determined that 25 is the standard limit for each inspector for Collier County. How this was determined is unknown at this time. At this time I would venture in guessing that the ISO rating may have had something to do with this.
As far as the population for Collier County, this information has been located at the following link: http://www.colliergov.net/Index.aspx?page=262
To summarize from the previous link, Permanent Population of (2010*) *2010 Census Estimates Unincorporated Collier County
285,170, Collier County Total 321,520
Peak Season Population (2010**)**2010 Staff Projections Unincorporated Area 345,236 Countywide 389,149
I will edit this post when I get more information
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#8654 - 12/30/11 03:09 PM Re: How many inspections is too many? [Re: Nick Sasso]
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The ISO rating also takes into account the qualifications of the staff - are the inspectors also certified plans examiners, CBO's, multi-trade certified. This carries across inspectors, plans examiners and the BO/deputy BO. Not sure how much weight they give to this but I understand the better the training/ certifications the better the rating...

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#8655 - 12/30/11 04:03 PM Re: How many inspections is too many? [Re: Nick Sasso]
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DA - An easy way to get at the report would be to have someone make a public records request for it. I bet that they recommend no more than 10.

SO - I do not believe that ISO takes into consideration multi-licensing in the regard that you describe. What they take into consideration is the number of years of experience of the individuals. ISO is not a proponent of the multi-licensing circus that we now have here in Florida.
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#8659 - 12/31/11 03:24 PM Re: How many inspections is too many? [Re: Nick Sasso]
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Registered: 01/22/10
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Nick,

Here is a link to ISO's pamhlet on how they do their ratings. Ten is their optimum amount of inspections per day (obviously they are not a government in Florida)...

http://www.isomitigation.com/bcegs/building-code-classification.pdf

I was surprised to discover that there is a lot of info available online. Experience, certifications and how much your department spends on training are factors in the rating.

And all of us are suffering from cutbacks and training seems to be one of the first things to go. I know Nassau has been depending on free or cheap classes to get by.

I am writing to the ISO for my community's rating and a breakdown. I will repost with their response.

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#8660 - 12/31/11 04:01 PM Re: How many inspections is too many? [Re: Nick Sasso]
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Thanks for the info. You may need to go back into the post and edit the link (there is an "f" missing at the end and it comes up as a dead link). I added the last letter and was able to retrieve the pamphlet:

http://www.isomitigation.com/bcegs/building-code-classification.pdf

It is very informative and I'm shocked at how few jurisdictions - nationwide - for the most part, forsake the ISO guidelines.

Please let us know if ISO is responsive to your query.
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#8661 - 01/01/12 09:53 AM Re: How many inspections is too many? [Re: Nick Sasso]
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Thursday I did 36 inspections in 6 hours.

On a different note:
March 24th 2012. 7hrs
September 15th 2012. 7hrs

Free seminar in Sumter County...total of 14 hrs, lunch and breaks included. Seminar flyers soon to come when all the class information is put together.
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#8662 - 01/02/12 04:35 PM Re: How many inspections is too many? [Re: Nick Sasso]
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I edited the link in question.
But Nick,
You should have been able to select the edit button on the post and fixed it also.

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#8663 - 01/02/12 07:17 PM Re: How many inspections is too many? [Re: Nick Sasso]
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10-4, didn't know that I could.
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#8665 - 01/04/12 10:05 AM Re: How many inspections is too many? [Re: Nick Sasso]
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Happy New Year everyone. At our last review we were rated 4 and the population of Pasco is nearing 500,000 citizens.
Our Electrical Inspectors (5) are averaging 12 inspections per day.


Edited by Paul J Cameron (01/04/12 10:06 AM)
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#8666 - 01/04/12 10:14 AM Re: How many inspections is too many? [Re: Mike Timpanaro]
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All PVC's??
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#8684 - 01/05/12 05:18 PM Re: How many inspections is too many? [Re: Nick Sasso]
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Originally Posted By: Nick Sasso
10-4, didn't know that I could.

Let me know if you are not able to.
Of course you also are able to censor posts, though not suggested on this site.

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