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#8679 - 01/05/12 10:23 AM Re: Low Voltage [Re: Paul J Cameron]
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I was kidding about your bathroom but it must be the same person because I remember getting crap like that, too.
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#8681 - 01/05/12 11:42 AM Re: Low Voltage [Re: Paul J Cameron]
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Florida Building Code 106.1.1 Information on construction documents. Construction documents shall be dimensioned and drawn upon suitable material. Electronic media documents are permitted to be submitted when approved by the building official. Construction documents shall be of sufficient clarity to indicate the location, nature and extent of the work proposed and show in detail that it will conform to the provisions of this code and relevant laws, ordinances, rules and regulations, as determined by the building official.

If the applicant does not provide plans and information to meet the above code section, then reject their permit until they comply. I have rejected several permit application because the plans were not legible or did not supply enough information to ensure code compliance.

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#8682 - 01/05/12 12:15 PM Re: Low Voltage [Re: Paul J Cameron]
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#8683 - 01/05/12 05:14 PM Re: Low Voltage [Re: Paul J Cameron]
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All I can say is the file attached does not even show me what is going on at all.
I can understand that a contractor does not have the resources to hire a draftsman. But that submittable is just useless.
WOW!

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#8687 - 01/07/12 10:51 AM Re: Low Voltage [Re: Paul J Cameron]
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Nassau does not pust too much for detailed plans on LV, unlees it is a large commercial job. It doesn't seem worth it for SFR's and small jobs as we will only get the shabby drawings y'all are mentioning...we just inspect to code. Are y'all having trouble about existing/abandoned lv wires like I am? I get so much flack about either removing them or tagging the on both ends...

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#8689 - 01/07/12 12:06 PM Re: Low Voltage [Re: Paul J Cameron]
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One thing that nobody has really touched on yet is the number of different low-voltage contractors for the same job. I have found this to be true even of the small, "vanilla-box" type jobs. I have seen a separate contractor for phone, data, security (alarm), security (CCTV), fire alarm, etc. Having a plan no matter how "shloppy" at least lets one know, hopefully, the scope of what they are being responsible for. I bet a bunch of permits get sold with the work description simply stating "low voltage." This doesn't say too much...just my opinion. And too many foxes may get into the hen house.

Not to mention all of the revenue that isn't being collected.



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#8693 - 01/09/12 08:11 AM Re: Low Voltage [Re: Nick Sasso]
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When we set up low voltage permitting we decided to issue separate permits for each category- communication,data,cctv,audio,security,fire,general. We won't accept just "low voltage".So far it seems to be working quite well except for the quality of some of the plans.
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#8694 - 01/09/12 08:12 AM Re: Low Voltage [Re: SOwings]
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Haven't heard from the inspectors on any abandonment issues.
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#8698 - 01/09/12 12:22 PM Re: Low Voltage [Re: Paul J Cameron]
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Paul,
I treat the abandonment of LV cables per the code. I either have them remove the cables or they can tag both ends (at the terminal board and it's other end somewhere accessible). Where this get so arguable is when I have new tenants move into an existing space. The electrical contractors have no problem with 120 volt & up but I end up having to insist on compliance for the low voltage wiring. I suppose it is because it was never an issue before.
I'm sure it will get better with time.

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#8740 - 02/10/12 12:29 PM Re: Low Voltage [Re: Paul J Cameron]
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Registered: 12/29/10
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Loc: Collier County, Fla
FBC 106.1.1 is interpreted to state that a clear intent be submitted. For other than 1&2 family, they are being reviewed by the Fire Code Official (FCO) and inspected by the fire inspector for penetrations and plenum rating; as applicable. If I do not ask for a clear plan, the FCO will.
Access and delayed egress control and certain audio systems take a bit longer to get out of the FCO than most other LV permits.
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