Paul J Cameron
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Registered: 11/04/03
Posts: 412
Loc: Pasco County Florida
Are any of the counties out there that require low voltage permits, having a hard time getting readable plans? All I ask for is the wire type and drop location on a plan with a label and any equipment being installed. The majority of our permits our security systems for commercial and they are all chicken scratch.The low voltage contractors are famous for not posting permits or plans. Just curious.
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Nick Sasso
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Could you be more specific? If it is just one or two drops, I probably would not want plans. I think you are talking about maybe a ton of data lines? Or it could be CCTV or security? I'm not sure how to answer yet.
Who is NOT requiring license and permit? DBPR has made it clear that the licensing is required for data/communication/telephone and everything (except the CATV- As I told someone who wanted to know why they sere exempt: "THEY went to all those D*** meetings!) We see a lot of detail on some plans almost equals or exceeds the electrical.
or we just get a permit and inspect.
The NEC does not give any min spacing for support or straps. some cable manufacturers have specs. Since we inspect for "safety" IT PRETTY MUCH LIMITS US TO UL ( OR OTHER nrtl) listing on components.
What do others look for? other than reasonably supported above the ceiling tiles?
PS: I believe that a ceiling area is "INACCESSIBLE " when they install insulation directly on the tiles. you CANNOT re-install the insulation after removing a single tile. even if you try it is just 'somewhere' above the tile. when installed they put in a row of tile. add a row of insulation then a row of tile and row of insulation. all tidy and tight. Remove a tile and insulation. it is the wrong tile remove another to access j-box. best you can hop for is to ge about 50% of insulation back in place and tile in the hole. Have we disturbed "the building finish" ? I say the insulation is shot. NOT accessible.
Edited by inspector32513 (01/05/1212:19 AM)
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Nick Sasso
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Originally Posted By: inspector32513
Who is NOT requiring license and permit?
I don't think the original poster is actually asking about permits...his question was more or less about low-volt plans and what can be done if they are not legible.
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Loc: City of North Port
The city of North Port has modified Chapter 1 of the Florida Building Code to include the following section:
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106.1.3 Quality of building plans. The building official may establish through departmental policy, standards for plans and specifications, in order to provide conformity to its record retention program. This policy may include such things as minimum size, shape, contrast, clarity, or other items related to records management, such as Building plans shall be drawn to a minimum 1/8 inch scale upon substantial paper, cloth or other acceptable medium.
#8673 - 01/05/1207:43 AMRe: Low Voltage
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Paul J Cameron
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Registered: 11/04/03
Posts: 412
Loc: Pasco County Florida
The biggest culprits are the security companies and maybe I am being a little tough. Mostly they are 2500 square foot units with typical security systems- Door contacts,keypads,sirens,motion detectors etc. All I am asking is for it to be legible. See attached photo.
Paul J Cameron
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Registered: 11/04/03
Posts: 412
Loc: Pasco County Florida
Believe it or not,there are a few counties around me not requireing permitting for low voltage. As far as inspecting we use the NEC to the best of our ability- Listing, cable installation etc.
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Nick Sasso
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I am seriously wondering why he even wasted the sheet of paper? This is not being "green." He is destroying the earth. Perhaps next time, suggest that he submit his plan on any standard piece of unused toilet paper that can be found in on the floor of the hall bathroom in Pasco County building department. Crayon will also be accepted.
#8677 - 01/05/1209:37 AMRe: Low Voltage
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Paul J Cameron
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Registered: 11/04/03
Posts: 412
Loc: Pasco County Florida
LOL, Nick, are you insuating our County Building is dirty with toilet paper on the floor?? I am thinking of installing toilet paper with scale grid on it so the contractors can use for their plans. You can probably remember some of the plans we get here in Pasco, unbelievable.
Edited by Paul J Cameron (01/05/1209:39 AM)
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